To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

So, while we are in an agreeable mood, would you like to report your own post for personal attack towards Ereshkigalangcleg and I, as well as making a negative generalisation about a group of posters which is also against the Talk Guidelines?

👍

We can 😀

That it's wonderful, that is 🙂

Yes, we can agree on this 🙂

Yes, it's awesome. And when people boast on the threads about it, it's a nice change from "well I've had 873 PMs agreeing with me".

Yes. I agree. Isn't it wonderful.

And from that entire post, that is all you could respond to. That is also great to know.

And yet, thanks to the 'thanks' button, we know that each post is being read by new comers who have not posted

Yes, I like the new thanks button too.
I find people who don't always feel able to post can acknowledge too, like you say.

That's not the question.

I've been posting on the thread earlier on, ta

Perhaps you'd like to give your thoughts on the recent John Lewis staff magazine featuring "Ruby" at Waitrose Brighton, to which I've linked a screenshot @BeachParty?

https://x.com/yourmumss_aterf/status/1758579478379257991?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

"How is that comment not a personal attack itself, then?"

I was just thinking the same actually.

And from a poster who has a history in using the term derogatively. I wonder if that will actually sink in. Maybe that poster will ask for their post to be withdrawn in acknowledgement.

Is this thread just the usual echo chamber two talking to each other now?
All the earlier personal attacks at any dissent seem to have worked 👍

How is that comment not a personal attack itself, then? I don't tend to report, and nor do others, because we would rather leave it up. But from where I'm standing there are some double standards here.

'echo chamber' has become pretty much as meaningless as the words 'respect', 'tolerance', 'inclusion' and 'woman', 'girl', 'female'.

It is also a very lazy accusation and generally from the few posters who don't seem to contribute evidence based discussion where in fact, that is what is very important. To have made such significant changes to employment conditions such as this, it should be based on evidence rather than on philosophical and political beliefs.

Do you have anything of value to add?

And by the way, you have just attempted to shame two posters who have answered a question from another poster. Well done.

And yet, thanks to the 'thanks' button, we know that each post is being read by new comers who have not posted. As you know, I encourage people to come and provide well evidenced discussion, and am always happy to read any evidence linked up.

And yet, whenever evidence is requested to support posts, those declaring that there is evidence or to have knowledge never post any.

Do you have any evidence to support dadjokes claims? Or any evidence to support how a male can become a female person to be able to claim access to female single sex spaces?

After all, a well discussed and evidenced thread cannot be an echo chamber if all sides of the discussion contribute evidence based views, can it? It is remarkable though how that derogatory term 'echo chamber' is so often used by you in this current username, yet I don't believe I have seen much by way of evidence based contributions.

Is this thread just the usual echo chamber two talking to each other now?
All the earlier personal attacks at any dissent seem to have worked 👍

We've seen the evidence of their staff magazine a few months ago.

https://x.com/artemisrising81/status/1774441708203147292?s=12

https://x.com/yourmumss_aterf/status/1758579478379257991?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Eye opening tweets, mild CW!

Well, if it wasn't, JL has had plenty of opportunity to answer it. They were even invited to make a statement on Andrew Doyle's show about it and declined or ignored the offer.

Now that it has been televised, you would think that if this was false information it would be very easy for JL to clear up any falsehoods.

Yet, those who seek to shame those of us who reject these changes, still attempt to use that compassion angle. Why? Because that is all they have. There never was a reason beyond ‘compassion’ to allow males into female single sex spaces, to change out language and use preferred language. The ‘have some respect’ angle is all they have, all they ever had.

They hate it when it is pointed out that that ‘respect’ only ever went one way with these changes and it was only directed towards those who claimed to have a gender identity. Like ‘woman’, ‘girl’, ‘female’, ‘tolerance’ , ‘kindness’, and so many other words that now mean the opposite to their intended meaning, ‘respect’ has also been forceably changed to only mean compliance to one group’s belief and political agenda. Hardly compassionate or respectful.

This. We see through it.

Considering that Stonewall is now no longer seeking new relationships with schools, I wonder if they will be announcing that they will be announcing other changes. Maybe they will back down on the previous ideological stance that portrayed the EA2010 as they wished it to be and not as it was written.

Maybe Stonewall will start reverse ferreting on the purely ideological and political stance that male people with gender identities should be treated as female for every purpose, including toilets. It would mean that their Champions, such as JL, will eventually catch up to the massive pushback over the past years and start providing equitable solutions that do not harm female people. That will take time to ripple through though, stonewall just got all those organisations trained up after all.

And with that, I think we also need to stop thinking that ‘compassion’ has anything to do with the people who are demanding these changes, for example removal of female single sex spaces and demanding preferred language and pronouns.

The support groups have so successfully detached being transgender from gender dysphoria that it may only apply to a very small minority of those who are identifying as having a transgender identity.

Yet, those who seek to shame those of us who reject these changes, still attempt to use that compassion angle. Why? Because that is all they have. There never was a reason beyond ‘compassion’ to allow males into female single sex spaces, to change out language and use preferred language. The ‘have some respect’ angle is all they have, all they ever had.

They hate it when it is pointed out that that ‘respect’ only ever went one way with these changes and it was only directed towards those who claimed to have a gender identity. Like ‘woman’, ‘girl’, ‘female’, ‘tolerance’ , ‘kindness’, and so many other words that now mean the opposite to their intended meaning, ‘respect’ has also been forceably changed to only mean compliance to one group’s belief and political agenda. Hardly compassionate or respectful.

“However, the answer is that the majority of people don’t want male people to be in their toilets”

missing the word ‘female’ there.

However, the answer is that the majority of female people don’t want male people to be in their toilets

It must really be jarring for all those posters who declare that the majority of female people don’t care who is in female single sex spaces to always be saying things such as that on polls that show the exact opposite. It has been consistent on every poll outcome I have seen that the majority of female people vote to have even toilets as single sex spaces.

It really does make those saying otherwise look disconnected from
the truth. Or repeating mantras / political slogans from groups disconnected from women’s voices.

However, the answer is that the majority of people don’t want male people to be in their toilets, and the majority of people don’t believe, and refuse to be told they have to believe, that male people have become a ‘woman’ or ‘girl’. Either in theory or on a practical level.

Just another step backwards where the progress that women have made over the last 100 years is being wiped out by 0.1% of the population. This 0.1% are mainly white males…….who believe they are disadvantaged? Soon we will have no women’s sport, illusional equal pay, etc.

why don’t we just tell our young girls to give up as really women are just here to be ruled by men and told to get back in our place. It’s so misogynistic - all of it. White men telling women what to do.