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To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 17:26

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

Resignation letter from a John Lewis Partner

The John Lewis Partnership is abusing its female staff and customers

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

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RedVanYellowVan · 29/08/2024 18:16

Yet another reason not to into JL. There is a large one in a nearby city but it is usually empty.

Poor choice, poor customer service, dogs sniffing round the clothes (I have never seen registered guide dogs do that), and now further erosion of women's rights.

I am sorry if women will lose their job but they need to lobby their bosses, en mass, about having to share toilets etc with males.

Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 18:16

DadJoke · 29/08/2024 18:13

John Lewis, like every single other major high street retailer does not ban trans women from women’s loos. You will have to boycott every single one of them. Good luck with that.

This thread is specifically about how they treat their partners (not employees as I've previously said) Do you have any thoughts about the points raised in the letter I linked to or can you not be bothered to read it?

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Toseland · 29/08/2024 18:15

I'm already boycotting John Lewis since their advert where a young boy trashed the house and his Mother and sister's things and for their mixed sex changing rooms.
I'm also boycotting M&S for mixed sex changing rooms and toilets and the awful pervy reviews of women's underwear on their website.

DadJoke · 29/08/2024 18:15

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 29/08/2024 18:13

I'll boycott because I'm still going everywhere with a relatively small child and I don't want to shop anywhere a K Dolatowski would be welcomed in the women's toilets. My child's safeguarding comes first.

I also feel strongly about religious women and children being excluded by these policies or any woman who needs a single sex space being deceived into the trauma of realizing they're sharing a space with a man without their consent.

You will need to abandon the high street and every single public service, too, because not a single one excludes trans women from women’s loos.

DadJoke · 29/08/2024 18:13

John Lewis, like every single other major high street retailer does not ban trans women from women’s loos. You will have to boycott every single one of them. Good luck with that.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 29/08/2024 18:13

I'll boycott because I'm still going everywhere with a relatively small child and I don't want to shop anywhere a K Dolatowski would be welcomed in the women's toilets. My child's safeguarding comes first.

I also feel strongly about religious women and children being excluded by these policies or any woman who needs a single sex space being deceived into the trauma of realizing they're sharing a space with a man without their consent.

Bluevelvetsofa · 29/08/2024 18:10

The retail environment is devastated already. The high street is decimated because people shop online, exacerbated by Covid. Whatever stores are left simply have a mishmash of labels, so shopping online has no preference or loyalty now.

We have a JL Home at a nearby retail park and, as a PP said, it’s like tumbleweed in there. There’s no one to advise on products, in fact very few staff at all.

Everyone knows that assistance dogs are exempt from restrictions, but I don’t want pets in retail outlets either.

With their recent stance, as outlined by their ex employee, it surely can’t be long before they hit the skids too.

Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 18:07

CeruleanBelt · 29/08/2024 18:01

Why would i care who John lewis lets into which toilet?

The letter points to staff members who have experienced abuse and whose religious beliefs would mean they don't want to share spaces with men. I care that women are being put in this position at work in the UK right now. Obviously you don't have to care about it at all.

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CeruleanBelt · 29/08/2024 18:01

Why would i care who John lewis lets into which toilet?

Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 18:00

saraclara · 29/08/2024 17:57

Exactly. Boycotting a company that employs so many people (and is struggling already) is basically telling the women who work for the company that you'd rather they lose their jobs @Lovelyview

If you want to support them, write to the company instead of taking action that may mean they lose their jobs.

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That's a really interesting point and I agree that writing to John Lewis is a good thing to do. I was just so shocked that they've done this without any consultation at all. John Lewis used to be such a good employer and it seems like they've just thrown all that good will away.

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MyDarlingClementine · 29/08/2024 17:59

Unfortunately John Lewis is morphing away from it's winning formula.
It will go the way of other large dept stores.
I don't agree with them forcing females to share like this esp after the case in Scotland.

Notverygruntled · 29/08/2024 17:59

Is JL unionised? It's a partnership so doesn't have employees, so far as I'm aware.

violetsparkle · 29/08/2024 17:59

saraclara · 29/08/2024 17:57

Exactly. Boycotting a company that employs so many people (and is struggling already) is basically telling the women who work for the company that you'd rather they lose their jobs @Lovelyview

If you want to support them, write to the company instead of taking action that may mean they lose their jobs.

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Good idea. Maybe tweeting them too if you feel strongly. I think they have a tweeter.

saraclara · 29/08/2024 17:57

violetsparkle · 29/08/2024 17:54

Whilst I understand you are upset about this, John Lewis is a major employer and retailer. If they have to close it will be devastating for the retail environment. We've lost debehams. I don't know how long house of Fraser is going to last, bhs - gone.

Exactly. Boycotting a company that employs so many people (and is struggling already) is basically telling the women who work for the company that you'd rather they lose their jobs @Lovelyview

If you want to support them, write to the company instead of taking action that may mean they lose their jobs.

Hectorscalling · 29/08/2024 17:56

I will happily boycott. Its shameful that they are allowing this.

Finnulafishface · 29/08/2024 17:55

TurtlesDoNotPetsMake · 29/08/2024 17:34

DF would be homeless if it wasn't for John Lewis. He worked for them for 20yrs and they have been amazing.

That’s because JL look after their male employees.

parkrun500club · 29/08/2024 17:55

IDontHateRainbows · 29/08/2024 17:51

What, like guide dogs for the blind or other disabilities?

No, just pets. My colleague took her dog to see Father Christmas last year (she does have a toddler too :) but couldn't find anyone to look after the dog. So instead of her partner waiting outside with the dog/taking it to one of the many parks in London they took it into the shop).

I am with the pp - dogs do not belong in department stores.

And male bodied people do not belong in toilets for female bodied people. JL shops are big enough to have a few unisex toilets and changing rooms.

violetsparkle · 29/08/2024 17:54

Whilst I understand you are upset about this, John Lewis is a major employer and retailer. If they have to close it will be devastating for the retail environment. We've lost debehams. I don't know how long house of Fraser is going to last, bhs - gone.

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Boomer55 · 29/08/2024 17:52

This is a dispute between employees/union and JL. Not my fight.🤷‍♀️

Abitofalark · 29/08/2024 17:52

John Lewis is a disgrace. And to think it's chaired by a woman! She's soon to be leaving, though. All credit to the employee / partner for her passion and commitment in speaking out and protesting on behalf of women.

Sidebeforeself · 29/08/2024 17:52

The writing on is on the wall for this company anyway..might survive online but I think we’ll see all stores close in the next few years.

IDontHateRainbows · 29/08/2024 17:51

Judellie · 29/08/2024 17:47

I already boycott them as they allow dogs in.

What, like guide dogs for the blind or other disabilities?

IDontHateRainbows · 29/08/2024 17:51

This is my local store. I don't care enough to stop shopping there. Maybe if I felt uncomfortable in the changing rooms, although they are always well (wo) manned with staff.

Judellie · 29/08/2024 17:47

I already boycott them as they allow dogs in.