To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

My local JL has changing rooms with curtains, not doors.

This landmark case verdict was just last week in Aus. You may argue that their having different legal positions on this means that it won’t happen here, but this thread is a great example of how corporations have already largely been captured by inclusivity trumping women’s need for their own spaces and the steady erosion of women’s rights.

Sall Grover is definitely someone to watch, although the MSM haven’t touched her with a barge pole for some bizarre reason. I’ve included the BBC article but well worth hearing her speak about this on YT or podcast.

Also worth noting that this topic doesn’t just affect women in Auz but also gay and lesbian groups and men only spaces too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07ev1v7r4po.amp

Yes it is. Can't remember the last time I was in a changing room with curtains much less a communal one - haven't seen that since the 80s.

No.

'Trans men' is used to describe females but TIM is an attempt to be more accurate and sex based in language, so is a man who identifies as trans.

JL have made female spaces open to biological men.

Thin end of the wedge. If they allow men into female changing areas how happy are parents going to be letting their girls undress in there?
This doesn’t just give rights to men who want to identify as women, it gives access to ANY man who wants in to the women’s changing areas because if it’s a case of self-ID, which JL member of staff is going to tackle a six foot bloke claiming to be a woman?

In my book that makes it all of our problem.

Sorry I haven’t ready this whole thread if someone has already mentioned this but Trans identifying men are biological females.

Trans identifying women are male.

What is it that JL have proposed?

Absolutely not, I wish I knew how to transfer this onto the Feminism section….. I read it too on Substack & posted on some relevant sites. I will put it on Feminism, that’s where all this stuff is more highlighted, thanks for sharing here, not enough women know about this state of affairs & how it impacts on women’s rights

Maybe you can explain why we women should accept "chaps missing the mark" in womens toilets?

For what reason?

Personally I find it quite reductive to be defined and referred to purely by my gametes, but each to their own I guess.

@ElleWoods15 can you explain what makes someone born male, a woman? What is a woman if it's not an adult human female?

Huh? It's incredibly common.

No because it wouldn’t bother me.

You have changing rooms with cubicles? That sounds.... unusual.

No one can ever sensibly explain why a man wanting to be a woman should be accepted as a woman. It defies logic.

No one can explain why such a man should have his feelings prioritised over multiple women (without just coming out and saying they don’t give a shit about women).

No one can explain how a human can literally change sex because it’s a scientific impossibility.

They’re on a hiding to nothing. They try all sorts of mental gymnastics but it’s pretty ‘emperor’s new clothes’.

What exactly is it about the Equality Act you feel I’ve misrepresented @Lovelyview ?

Personally I find it quite reductive to be defined and referred to purely by my gametes, but each to their own I guess.

This was in response to a comment, for some reason didn't quote right though

I've been in a workplace today
Two toilets available, both unisex.
Better in a way, they were fully enclosed and accessible to all.

I'd like to keep my highstreet so I won't be boycotting them.

So nobody critical of Amazon's work conditions should call for, or even participate in, boycotting the company? After all, you just said it's not their circus, not their monkeys. How about Lidl back when they were massively exploiting German workers? Most of them women, I might point out.

Or maybe you're just taking such a neoliberal hedonist line when it's women's rights at stake. Figures.

I’m not sure you are reading the same threads as me…

They can’t answer these basic questions. I don’t know who they think they’re kidding?

No aggro. Anyway, still waiting patiently for you to address all the reasonable points put to you regarding placing male rights above women’s. Especially rape survivors, women of certain religions, what makes a man a woman etc etc etc. You don’t have to of course, I’m just genuinely interested in the mindset and inner workings of those who deny biological reality and see - and accept - women as collateral damage to special males.