To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

@BernardBlacksBreakfastWine your example is absolute drivel. There is no protected category of adult children and you have moved the goalposts from loos to sports. Gender reassignment is a protected category, and trans women can and do use women’s loos because it is their right. You want to change that right.

Of course I am a man as my username makes very clear. I have no interest in being in single sex spaces.

@BernardBlacksBreakfastWine of course there can and should be single sex spaces as governed by the EA2010. Loos are not in that category.

Your solution does not solve the problem it purports to solve. Your hypothetical male predator could simply say he is a trans man.

it’s just laughable that you think abusive men would be put off by loos being single sex.

And, of course, you’ve ignored the enforcement question.

You have an issue with men not having access to women,that's your problem.

Correct and irrelevant. Providers can exclude trans women from single sex spaces if it’s a proportionate means for a legitimate end.

First, it’s the provider’s choice and second, it’s not proportionate or legitimate.

What the hell are you talking about?

Do you think there should be any single-sex spaces?

I do. Perhaps you don’t. (You won’t answer so I don’t know). I think a lot of people would be upset if there were none.

So, if there are single sex spaces, I am prepared to accept that there might be times when these boundaries are not observed. There may be the very occasional trans woman who passes. Fine. I accept that. There may be the odd trans man who makes the odd woman look twice. I feel I can safely say that most women would be unsure enough not to challenge. In fact, I wouldn’t imagine much challenging would go on at all.

But, if everyone is in general agreement that women’s loos are for women, we can challenge the obvious bloke who’s trying his luck. And we can expect support with that challenge rather than virtue-signalling bullshit. But under your system (which you haven’t explained so I’m guessing again) a huge bloke with a beard could barge in, playfully announce that he’s actually a woman, wink wink, and no one could do anything.

And you did not read my answer or understand the analogy. You have an issue with the legal right of trans women to use women’s loos. This is your problem, not theirs. It’s fine for your to think TWANW, but gender critical people do not get to exclude people from a space which is equally theirs. Your ideology can certainly be accommodated but not by excluding an entire class of people.

Do not conflate “women’s rights” with gender critical beliefs.

Trans women do not have the right to be in women's loos

Yes they do

Yet again. No, I want to exclude biological men from MY ladies toilet.

Simple, sorry you can't understand.

Oh dear. Did you really try this argument?

Black women, Muslim women, lesbians… all WOMEN.

How do you know none of us are black, Muslim or gay??

@BernardBlacksBreakfastWine you simply haven’t addressed the question Where transgender people have been excluded the “we can always tell” crowd pick on GNC women and trans men. You want a bunch of gender critical people saying “you aren’t really a woman” to anyone they think is suspect? What happens then? The police inspect their chromosomes?

You might believe trans women are women in the same way that others might have strong religious beliefs. Fine. But they’re beliefs that cannot be proved in material reality. And we don’t generally compel people to act, or the state to legislate, on the basis of some niche beliefs.

Sorry, I keep forgetting I need to use the words "biological" men

Knowing that human beings can't change sex isn't a hate crime.

Trans women are legally allowed to use the women's loos and always have been, so there's no issue
Let's just carry on as we always have instead of policing others. As has been pointed out it would be unenforceable and no, you can't "always tell"

You want to exclude trans women, who have a legal right to be in women’s loos. That is, remove a right they already have. That’s straight-up transphobia. Your issue with trans women can be accomodated, but not by removing other peoples’ existing rights. Your desire to exclude people does not override their right to be there.

Now explain how single sex loos would be enforced and how they would solve the problem you think the current system causes.

Are you a man? I find your patronising (and clueless) approach maddening in any case, but it’s much, much worse if you’re actually a man telling women to budge over and let men into their female-only spaces.

You, quite obviously, don’t need ‘chromosome-based’ door policies. In the overwhelming majority of cases, human beings can tell someone’s sex.

Yes, yes, we know ‘ha ha trans women have been using women’s loos for ages’ or whatever. But the fact is that they were there on sufferance. No one officially ok’d it and they would almost certainly have left if asked, back before everyone lost their minds.

Society functions by group acceptance of rules; you must know this. Things aren’t policed to the Nth degree every step of the way. If everyone generally agrees it’s not acceptable for men to be in women’s loos, women are reasonably safe in those spaces. If trans activists and useful idiots keep asserting a right to be in women’s loos - guess what? It becomes harder and harder to enforce that boundary.

Can you open your mind for one second just to consider how a woman might feel knowing she will be the one in the wrong if she doesn’t want a six foot man following her into the loos?

We already have them for years and I hope they continue.

There’s really no issue here then. Because trans women are indeed women, despite the opinions expressed by certain posters on this thread. So you have no objection to trans women using women’s loos in JL or otherwise. I think we’re all good :)

Sorry, I don't understand.

1. I don't want any say what kind of women are in womens loos.. And I don't care as long as they're women.

1. I have no desire to exclude anyone except men from the ladies loos.

@LadyGrinningSoul8517

Starting to sincerely consider building up some evidence and going to the press and taking this further, because I am so sick of the ignorance on this website.

But do, please, do this. I could do with a laugh.

Instead of all this virtue-signalling and straw man nonsense from the MRAs, how about you actually just explain to us how you’re going to decide which men get to legitimately go in women’s spaces. How should it be arranged? Unless you think there’s never any need for single-sex spaces, ever, then you have to have some sort of idea what your alternative to a blanket ban is.