To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

No, trans women don’t offend at the same rate as men, no, trans women in women’s loos don’t endanger women, no, single sex loos would not make women safer

You have zero evidence for this.

And we all know why that is.

Why should trans identifying people have more rights than everyone else?

Which is the case if you think they should be welcome in opposite sex spaces.

Dolatowski shows you're wrong, and there are others.

Dolatowski attacked a girl in a 'woman's' bathroom. I'm pretty sure if it had been labelled 'mixed sex' her parents wouldn't have allowed her to go in there alone.

Dolatowski is male bodied, 6ft 5 and identifies as a woman. But is in fact a male paedophile. He is no longer in prison for this crime. He uses women's toilets to abuse children- there was an incident of voyeurism prior to the attack. Unsurprisingly, having got away with the first crime, he escalated.

No, I think gender critical peoples’ views should not be allowed to remove minority rights.

Anyway, there is only so much DARVO I can take from GC obsessives in one day so I am
out and muting this thread.

I was responding very gently to @BernardBlacksBreakfastWine who told me to fuck off.

You are, once again, conflating women in general with gender critical people in particular. Most feminists support trans women’s rights. It’s MRAs, incels, neo-Nazis, religious fundamentalists and gender critical people who don’t.

No, trans women don’t offend at the same rate as men, no, trans women in women’s loos don’t endanger women, no, single sex loos would not make women safer - quite the opposite and no, you do not get to impose your beliefs on people who have a right to be where they are.

It is a provable, observable scientific fact that human beings cannot change sex, any more than any other mammal.

Human sex is binary and immutable.

Any human who is male from conception remains male forever.

And if standing up for single sex paces IS transphobic, then by definition trans rights are in direct conflict with women’s rights.

So, I’m picking women’s rights.

What it comes down to is very simple. Dadjoke thinks that women's feelings, experiences, safety matter much less than men's. That is the bottom line.

On the contrary. There’s a small section of society (you included presumably) who deny this fact, but most people are not that deluded.

But you must also know that, outside of a certain group of posters on MN, it’s simply not something that is blindly accepted as fact.

Explain to me @DadJoke

When there are women here saying we want female-spaces for instances where we feel particularly vulnerable to male violence

and there are some males who demand access to these spaces…

Why do want the women to “toddle off” and let those males in? What is it about us that makes us so much easier to dismiss than the males?

You do know that trans women offend at the same rates and patterns as other males. We’re no less vulnerable to them as any other male.

So why do you prioritise males in female spaces over females in female spaces?

Because, as you must know, the statement in question was a fact. You don’t get to ‘disagree’ on fact and be taken seriously.

You want women to “toddle off” from our own spaces and leave them to the men?

Why are you so afraid of women having the right to say “no” to men?

I just don’t get how you extrapolate that I don’t believe in any facts because I disagree with you on one point @BernardBlacksBreakfastWine.

We are allowed to disagree on this. It’s ok. There’s really no need to resort to being rude and hyperbolic every time someone doesn’t agree with you.

Why can’t gender critical people just toddle off occasionally and leave trans women alone? Why does their dislike of trans women mean they can impose their views on everyone else? Why are they co-opting women in general rather than accepting that most feminists, women’s organisations and RCCs support trans women?

i mean just take a day off from constant attacks and enjoy yourself. Stop making transphobia your raison d’etre. It’s just mind rot.

It’s not my opinion.

It’s a fact. What is the only thing that unites trans women as being trans women? Literally, the ONLY thing they have in common, is that they are men.

Only men can be trans women.

Do you believe there are any facts in the world? Or is everything just opinion?

I wonder how it would go if I prefaced all my answers in, say, a maths exam with ‘in my opinion’ and then accused the exam board of bigotry when they marked them all wrong? 🤔

Dare I ask it…? What the hell. @ElleWoods15 how are you going to ascertain who is a woman and who isn’t if trans women are a type of woman? I asked @DadJoke what his criteria were but he’s yet to get back to me (at time of writing),

How so?

There’s this great episode of the Good Wife, with a judge who insists all the attorneys start with ‘in my opinion’ before making their submissions.

I think this would be helpful here, as it just gets circular and boring when people post statements such as yours @Elbone without a basic level of recognition that what you are expressing is your opinion….