To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

You want to exclude trans women, who have a legal right to be in women’s loos.

No they don't have a legal right to be in women's loos our new Prime Minister, who knows a thing or two about the Law, has explicitly stated they do not have that right even if they have a GRC.

How is it different?

Explain

No one is assigned anything at birth. You are male at conception, male at birth and you’ll remain male until the day you die. It’s not kind to affirm anything other than this to some poor soul.

You can’t be a trans woman unless you are assigned male at birth. That’s different to ‘being male to begin with’ as you put it. But we’re not going to persuade each other of our respective positions on this arguing on a board on MN so i’m done for today.

I do salute your blind dedication to this absurd cause though Elle as the more exposure this harmful ideology gets the better. So thank you.

It really is. You can’t be a trans woman unless you are male to begin with. That’s really it. You don’t need to go on MN FWR forums to know this simple FACT. Anything other than this isn’t sensible discussion, it’s delusion and gas lighting.

If this deluded thinking didn’t have such disastrous consequences for women it would be laughable that grown adults (which I’m assuming you are) are walking about insisting this as fact.

I’ve yet to see ‘sensible discussion’ from biological reality deniers so no sleep will
be lost on that front.

Slurs?

What would you call men who tell women to shut up about women’s rights and prioritise the feelings of deluded men?

What other oppressed groups do you cheer on being told to shut up and prioritise their oppressor?

If you’re upset, ask MNHQ why it was deleted @Elbone .

If you can, i’d look back at what you wrote (no idea if that’s possible). The clue was in the last two sentences of your post from memory. It’s one thing to disagree with a poster, but to target them specifically with abusive slurs is another.

Yes

Can a woman be a trans woman? Can I, a female, identify as a trans woman?

Of course it’s misogyny.

There is no other oppressed group on earth who are forced to include and prioritise their oppressors in their own civil rights movement.

Lol of course it is. If they'd been born women with a body designed around the production of large gametes (the only qualification to be a woman) they’d be biological women wouldnt they not trans women

as it is every single one of them was born and remains a man

It literally isn’t the criteria Wes (not sure if you’ve ever actually looked it up, or if you’re just going by what you’ve read on mumsnet fwr forum)-
but you keep chuckling if it makes you happy….

Like a pp, I’ve not got any more time to waste on trying to have a sensible discussion with you.

And apologies, you’ve avoided so many points, reasoning and questions I lose track.

Trans women are men unless you think for example a male pelvis miraculously changes to a female one by special declaration and wearing make up

They are men. If they weren’t they couldn’t be trans women. It’s literally the only criteria 😂.

Why are these men more important than women?

They are men.

We’re not talking about men.

We’re talking about trans women. Who are women. Which is why we’re not answering questions about men’s feelings.

Hth Wes. I thought it was clear previously, but apparently not.

Trans women have the same rights as anyone else. It’s the additional boundary pushing extra rights they think they are entitled to (they’re not) that women have a problem with.

Has anyone attempted to answer why men’s feelings and rights come before women’s due to having special feelings? Or are we (well one) still waltzing around insisting squares are circles if they say so?

A tiny amount of delusional people accept trans women as women. A tiny amount of delusional people believe the earth is flat.

Both are incorrect.

I don’t think the deletion had anything to do with misogyny.

I think it had to do with the requirement (see the Talk Guidelines) to have a basic level of respect for other posters, and not resort to abuse.

You’re not being discriminated against, you’re being pulled up for behaviour which disrupts civil discussion. It’s quite different.

I wonder if any other legally protected vulnerable group of oppressed people would have their comments removed when responding to someone of the oppressive class stating they shouldn’t have any rights to protect themselves.
Ah well, I guess that’s misogyny for you.