To ask a stupid question? Noah's Ark

That's what most christians on christian forums say too, so I don't know why I even bothered to answer.

Any serious student of the Grand Canyon formation must face the reality that the fossilized sponges, squid, and other sea dwelling fish never lived in the Colorado River.

What? 😂 the layers of rock, including fossils, were laid down billions to hundreds of millions of years ago, when there were seas there - the Colorado river came, and cut down through those layers, much later. Of course those creatures weren't in the river, what sort of idiot would imagine for a moment they were?

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/archaeology/a45700571/was-noahs-ark-found/

@Besttimelftheyear an interesting read for you

A whole year ??? Wow
what a load of utter nonsense

No and I've even studied Geography for a year. I used to just believe what they told me there, that it was billions of years old and such. But now no I believe it's just caused by the flood.
https://g3min.org/the-flood-matters-the-grand-canyon-and-the-age-of-the-earth/

In order for a fossil to take place, it must undergo a swift burial that prevents a total decaying process of bones and preserves the animal from the elements which speed up the decaying process. In addition, this burial also conceals the animal from other wildlife and scavengers that would otherwise consume the meat and scatter the bones. To have such a large number of fossils preserved in the rock layers is indicative of swift burial that occurred during a cataclysmic event.
Any serious student of the Grand Canyon formation must face the reality that the fossilized sponges, squid, and other sea dwelling fish never lived in the Colorado River. The theory of the Colorado River cutting away rock layers over millions of years simply doesn’t hold up to the massive amount of evidence in the rock strata of the Grand Canyon’s walls. While the fossil records contradict the evolutionary theory often told about the Grand Canyon, they do not explain what actually happened.

I really hope you’re joking ??

They came after Noah. For instance the Grand Canyon is formed during the flood.

I’m not a theologian, but I recall listening to a debate when I was at uni on the historicity of religion, and whilst there is evidence (not much but enough) that a man named Jesus existed and I think evidence John the Baptist existed there is no evidence of Noah ever existing, so if I’m remembering correctly, scholars don’t think he did rather that he is an allegorical figure.

cant recall if the same was to be said for Moses and king David etc

I'm not sure establishing that there was indeed a flood would be enough to convince me that some old guy built an ark (quickly) and stowed away 2 of every species of animal to save them!!

I read a book by the geneticist Steve Jones, from memory, something like ‘the serpents promise - the bible retold as science’ - it was fascinating, and took a number of themes / concepts within the bible, and explored what might be the basis of them, from a scientific standpoint.

No - it was a false. "the boat-like structure is not the remnants of petrified wood from Noah's ark but a geological stone structure commonly found in the area.
The claim has been further scrutinized by Lorence G. Collins, Professor Emeritus in Geology at California State University Northridge, in an article from 2016. In the article, Collins debunks the research done by Ron Wyatt, David Fasold, John Baumgardner, and Salih Bayraktutan during the 1970s and 1980s. Collins concluded that the boat-like structure was formed by the erosion of the bedrock by landslide debris. According to Collins, the pieces of stone interpreted to be petrified wood were basalt rock, probably transported by mudflows during floods."

"Lucy Cousins, who made the Maisy Mouse children’s books, made a beautiful one about Noah’s Ark". Did it mention all the drowned people?

What does the bit about drowning everyone else on earth except Noah and his family - drowing the old, the sick, the babies, the children, the animals who were surplus to requirement on the ark - what does that represent? God's penchant for genocide?

How were the Australian Aboriginals witnessing the sea level rise if everyone but Noah drowned in the flood?

And if you don't believe the bible story (who would really) then there is no evidence of a worldwide flood

Not to mention you have the continental plates scooting around after the flood like they were on skates.

Didn't they find some sort of evidence on top of Mount Ararat? A bit of wood or something.

Highonthehillsisalonelygoatherd But if you believe it was literally true then you must accept that there would be dead babies floating in the water. How can you justify that? Is that what a loving god does?

It's because of that many Christians have declared it a metaphor even though that undermines other things. Surely no one would celebrate that would they or read it to children.

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I'm more dubious about 2 of every animal given that they tend to eat each other!

It would have been a logistical nightmare! Like that puzzle about getting grain, a hen and a fox across a river. Only so much harder!

Floods happen frequently so that is fairly certain always have always will. The rest is a fairy story imho

Yes, providing we accept that gods message about the flood lied about it being world wide and killing all the sinners and that it was just a natural event then we can assume it was just a local flood and no need to save Lions, Tigers and Bears

This!

Ricky Gervais is funny on the Noah’s Ark story “God was having a hissy fit! He’s angry with the people… Straight to genocide!” 😂 Find it in YouTube

What a story to tell children 🙄

As an aside, for those who’ve mentioned the plagues/parting of the Red Sea, there’s a museum on Santorini with the Akrotiri ruins. It’s known as the ‘Greek Pompei’ but is much older, and our guide there talked about the eruption which buried it, the associated earthquake and tsunami, and how the timing and location of it could link with the plagues and possible darkness covering the earth (from the ash), parting of the Red Sea (tsunami) - he mentioned others too but I can’t remember them now. It was really interesting!

Of course that gets sticky when you think that the only reason to think Jesus was a god is the Old Testament.

Once that becomes just stories it undermines the whole thing.

Have a read of the Epic of Gilgamesh. Wonderful story and the bit about his his friendship with Enkidu is one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever read.

Also bookmarking this thread as a Christian with a love of Ancient History so a shameless placemark to find the links

Dinosaurs being wiped out by the flood is my favourite bit of young earth nonsense - completing overlooking the aquatic ones