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To ask a stupid question? Noah's Ark

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Besttimelftheyear · 29/08/2024 16:44

So I am not religious, but I would say I was brought up Christian. I would say my parents were non practicing Christians, but I was taught bible stories as truth and facts. The logical adult in me now says that most of the events can be explained quite simply.

Onto the question. Noah's Ark, is there any evidence of a global flood? Noah was supposed to have taken two of each animals onto the boat while the earth was flooded and wiped out everything else.

Surely this was simply a regular flood like we see today?

What are peoples beliefs or knowledge on this?

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ThePrologue · 01/09/2024 12:18

Calmomiletea · 01/09/2024 07:51

Where did I say that you cannot deny? I said that I personally cannot. You can deny whatever you like, you can mock, you can blaspheme, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you will do so without consequence.

I am not mocking or blaspheming because I don't believe

llamajohn · 01/09/2024 12:11

Pettyhangingbaskets · 01/09/2024 11:46

Nice little threat at the end - believe or else

It's exactly how Christianity works isn't it. Follow these rules or face damnation...

Pettyhangingbaskets · 01/09/2024 11:53

Calmomiletea · 01/09/2024 11:13

There is a Day of Judgment coming and every single one of us will give an account for what we have done. God warns us not to mock Him: 'Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.' Galatians 6:7.

Again, whoever reads that on here can respond however they like. But God calls us all to repent of our evil. Not only does He in His kindness warn us, but God incarnate, the Lord Jesus Christ, out of love for sinners took the punishment for those who do repent 2000 odd years ago on the cross. 'But God commendeth his love towards us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us' Romans 5:8. If we repent from sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ He promises to forgive us, Romans 10:13.

Is this the same God that ignored the Holocaust because - free will ???

Pettyhangingbaskets · 01/09/2024 11:46

Calmomiletea · 01/09/2024 07:51

Where did I say that you cannot deny? I said that I personally cannot. You can deny whatever you like, you can mock, you can blaspheme, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you will do so without consequence.

Nice little threat at the end - believe or else

Shallhaveafishyonalittledishy · 01/09/2024 11:26

Calmomiletea · 01/09/2024 11:13

There is a Day of Judgment coming and every single one of us will give an account for what we have done. God warns us not to mock Him: 'Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.' Galatians 6:7.

Again, whoever reads that on here can respond however they like. But God calls us all to repent of our evil. Not only does He in His kindness warn us, but God incarnate, the Lord Jesus Christ, out of love for sinners took the punishment for those who do repent 2000 odd years ago on the cross. 'But God commendeth his love towards us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us' Romans 5:8. If we repent from sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ He promises to forgive us, Romans 10:13.

That’s assuming your religion is the true religion. Personally I don’t think it is. God also warns you not to worship false idols. Even Jews don’t consider Christianity a monotheistic religion but they do consider islam a monotheistic religion. Perhaps one of those faiths are the true religion?

Calmomiletea · 01/09/2024 11:13

Shallhaveafishyonalittledishy · 01/09/2024 09:28

Wtf?! Are you threatening her or is this a hereafter fire and brimstone consequence?

There is a Day of Judgment coming and every single one of us will give an account for what we have done. God warns us not to mock Him: 'Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.' Galatians 6:7.

Again, whoever reads that on here can respond however they like. But God calls us all to repent of our evil. Not only does He in His kindness warn us, but God incarnate, the Lord Jesus Christ, out of love for sinners took the punishment for those who do repent 2000 odd years ago on the cross. 'But God commendeth his love towards us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us' Romans 5:8. If we repent from sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ He promises to forgive us, Romans 10:13.

Shallhaveafishyonalittledishy · 01/09/2024 09:28

Calmomiletea · 01/09/2024 07:51

Where did I say that you cannot deny? I said that I personally cannot. You can deny whatever you like, you can mock, you can blaspheme, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you will do so without consequence.

Wtf?! Are you threatening her or is this a hereafter fire and brimstone consequence?

Calmomiletea · 01/09/2024 07:51

ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 07:56

Oh yes I can.
I can deny it second by second, minute by minute, and so on.
Do not tell me what I can or cannot deny, particularly when you are telling me that such incredible bullshit. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and processing power, can deny such ridiculousness

Where did I say that you cannot deny? I said that I personally cannot. You can deny whatever you like, you can mock, you can blaspheme, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you will do so without consequence.

Coatscoatscoast · 31/08/2024 19:26

Most of the stories probably started in fact but were passed down verbally from parents to children as bedtime stories/life lessons etc. it doesn’t take much for a big flood to become ‘the whole world was flooded’ or Noah down the road who happened to be a bit better at reading the weather than everyone else being ‘spoken to by God’ and putting a couple of his cattle onto a raft becoming ‘two of every animal’ in the mouth of a good storyteller.

sashh · 31/08/2024 09:29

ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 07:31

A year? At a university?

Possibly at Brigham Young.

ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 08:45

SweetSycamores · 31/08/2024 08:09

The fact that you're using such emotional and ideological language makes me wonder why you're so invested in something you think is pure nonsense.

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 31/08/2024 08:44

KrisAkabusi · 30/08/2024 09:45

I’m not religious, but IMO there are plenty of Christians nowadays who don’t take everything in the Bible literally, and can accept that in bygone eras had to find ways to explain things they didn’t and couldn’t understand.

I don't understand how anyone can believe in religion in this situation. Once you accept that most of your holy book is a story, how to you decide "but not this bit, this thing definitely happened" when there is no more evidence than for any other part.

I can see how the old and new testaments could be seen very differently. E.g Genesis and various other stories - people of almost all cultures have invented stories of how the earth, and the life in it, came to be. And as per my pp, stories like Noah and the Ark, the 7 year famine, could be folk memories turned into stories that explained things somehow, long before any scientific explanation was possible.

It’s often occurred to me that the very earliest beginnings of any religion, could have started with rainbows.
How on earth would very early humans have explained those, except by inventing some super-powerful being who also sent storms and other bad things, but sometimes liked to show you that s/he was in a good mood? Maybe they’d better try to placate him/her with offerings - some fruit, a calf, perhaps the odd virgin…

SweetSycamores · 31/08/2024 08:09

ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 07:56

Oh yes I can.
I can deny it second by second, minute by minute, and so on.
Do not tell me what I can or cannot deny, particularly when you are telling me that such incredible bullshit. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and processing power, can deny such ridiculousness

The fact that you're using such emotional and ideological language makes me wonder why you're so invested in something you think is pure nonsense.

llamajohn · 31/08/2024 08:00

RicherThanYew · 29/08/2024 17:05

I'm a Catholic. Do I believe there was a righteous man called Noah? Yes. Do I believe he built an ark and put a whole bunch of people and pets on it? Yes. Do I believe God's wrath and mercy were involved in a big ass flood, yes but was it global? Meh probably not.

Wait.... You absolutely genuinely believe a man thousands of years ago was able to get a mating pair of animals of all kinds? And then get them on a boat?

You think he was able to get giraffes, elephants, tigers, emus, pythons, bears, penguins .... And they all got in a boat and lived and some how got them back to the poles, rainforests, deserts, mountains etc?

ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 07:56

Calmomiletea · 30/08/2024 14:02

With respect, I think you do not understand what happened. Yes, God destroyed the wicked. And yes, the Omniscient, Creator God destroyed babies. I am guessing, being Omniscient, He knew that those babies and children would grow up to also rebel against His law. Again, Noah preached for 120 years warning people. 120 years...

Yes, I believed and now I know, because when you are born again, it's a supernatural work. If I said I 'believed' but didn't 'know' I would actually be lying. I cannot deny what I know is true.

Oh yes I can.
I can deny it second by second, minute by minute, and so on.
Do not tell me what I can or cannot deny, particularly when you are telling me that such incredible bullshit. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and processing power, can deny such ridiculousness

SweetSycamores · 31/08/2024 07:54

LastTrainEast · 30/08/2024 09:09

I remember being taught even back in the 60s that those biblical events could have had natural causes and of course that will be what happened.

But when Christians agree (as they mostly do) then they are admitting that all god's actions were not his at all, but just natural events that the priests used to fool people.

Which is accurate, but I wonder how Christians can handle the contradiction.

As a Christian, I always assumed Gpd used natural laws to enact his will. It would be strange for God to break physical laws that he established.

ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 07:49

Calmomiletea · 30/08/2024 10:14

Sincerely, if you truly seek God and seek to know Him you will. Just as God warns the people in Noah's day he does today. He has given you free will.

If I didn't know Him and know this to be true, I would not be spending the time writing this.

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You 'know' him!!!!!!

ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 07:43

Besttimelftheyear · 30/08/2024 10:01

Oh and in my childhood bible Jesus was a blonde haired blue eyed man.

Yes, he does in catholic iconography.
Can't be having our 'spiritual' leader being darker then us can we?
This just shows how hippocritical, rude, cruel and bigoted Christian religions are

ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 07:36

Calmomiletea · 30/08/2024 02:13

It was a global flood. Read the account in Genesis 6.

Three quick thoughts on it:

It was a global flood: 1.The whole purpose of it was to kill everyone who would not repent, I.e. everyone on the earth, bar Noah, as he and his family were the only people who feared and loved God. Of everyone else the Bible says 'the thoughts of their hearts were only evil continually'. Noah preached for 120 years warning people and what did they do? They mocked him.

It was a global flood: 2. What was the point of bringing two of every animal on the face of the earth into the ark if the flood wasn't global. The account in Genesis 6 states that the purpose of the flood was to destroy all living creatures on the earth.

It was a global flood: 3. God does not break His promises. He cannot because He IS Truth itself. He made a covenant that He would not globally flood the earth again. That was the whole point of the rainbow. We wouldn't be here if God hadn't shown mercy to Noah and his family.

This is not an exhaustive list. Read the Bible. The world lies. God doesn't.

Yes, of course. That's it! The vengeful bastard in the sky and the naughty angel with a tri-pointed stick who fell from grace trope

ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 07:31

PvH · 30/08/2024 00:03

No and I've even studied Geography for a year. I used to just believe what they told me there, that it was billions of years old and such. But now no I believe it's just caused by the flood.
https://g3min.org/the-flood-matters-the-grand-canyon-and-the-age-of-the-earth/

In order for a fossil to take place, it must undergo a swift burial that prevents a total decaying process of bones and preserves the animal from the elements which speed up the decaying process. In addition, this burial also conceals the animal from other wildlife and scavengers that would otherwise consume the meat and scatter the bones. To have such a large number of fossils preserved in the rock layers is indicative of swift burial that occurred during a cataclysmic event.
Any serious student of the Grand Canyon formation must face the reality that the fossilized sponges, squid, and other sea dwelling fish never lived in the Colorado River. The theory of the Colorado River cutting away rock layers over millions of years simply doesn’t hold up to the massive amount of evidence in the rock strata of the Grand Canyon’s walls. While the fossil records contradict the evolutionary theory often told about the Grand Canyon, they do not explain what actually happened.

A year? At a university?

ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 07:30

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/08/2024 19:47

LOL.

The telephone santisers are the most important people.
I'm off for a long bath!

ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 07:26

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 30/08/2024 10:09

There is a photo of a fossilised boat shape on or near Mt Aratat. I know the dimensions of Noah's ark are given in the Bible (in cubits, which is the length of elbow to fingertips) and i wouldnt be at all surprised to find that they match. I can't post the photo but it'll be Googleable.

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ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 07:25

Do people really believe that all the places/people who claim to have a piece ogpf the 'one true cross' really have a piece of it? Iff that were true, the dross would have to be the size of the Shard

ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 07:21

SweetSycamores · 29/08/2024 19:30

Biblical genre is a bit more complicated than that... In the Bible there may be allegory and poetry, but Jesus and Paul certainly spoke as if many old testament stories were historical events. I'm also not sure if the story neatly maps onto these symbols in the way you've stated. Jews hearing these stories through thr centuries certainly believed them to be historical events, and their additional symbolic interpretations would be considered void if they were simply myth.

These stories are myths. The bible/any religious book is not fact, therefore any culture/religion/peoples claiming the acts of violence, territory grabbing, murder and rape they undertake are sanctioned by their 'book', are disingenous and just using their religion as an excuse

ThePrologue · 31/08/2024 07:16

mansplainingsincethe90s · 29/08/2024 17:09

It probably didn't happen. There's an awful lot in the Bible that probably didn't happen.

None of it happened. It's a book of homilies designed to fleece people of their money and subjugate women
As are other religious texts
As are the overwhelmingly male 'preachers' of the lies in these novels