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To wish I could stop paying into the utterly broken NHS black hole

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Juanhundred · 29/08/2024 14:38

The last few years have really opened my eyes to the utter chaos of the National Health Screwers

If you've not needed them or only needed them for minor things, you honestly have no idea how bloody scary it is to be seriously ill and under the "care" of people I wouldnt usually trust to look after a dog

Every month I pay out about a weeks worth of wages in tax towards the NHS, then I pay a bit off my staggering credit card debt thats accumulated on going private when the NHS fail at life (rheumatology, gynaecology, dermatology, podiatry, basic antibiotics when my GP insisted an infected tick bite was "just allergies", the list is endless!)

I'm not rich, I earn less than 30k. Some days towards the end of the month I literally cant afford to eat what or when I want

20 years ago (when the NHS was actually the envy of the world) I had cervical cancer. Caught early by a smear test and treated in time to save my life. I was told by the consultant, "Another 6 months and your chances wouldn't have been good. Be very mindful of any changes moving forwards, and act on them immediately"
It was around the same time that Jade Goody died; she was told if she'd been seen 6 months earlier, her chances would have been infinitely better.
That brush with the Big C scared me shitless, and as per the advice given I'm super mindful of any changes and take them seriously.

Well I've probably just saved my own life this time by getting a private smear test, because despite my history and all the symptoms I am now experiencing (irregular heavy bleeding, random spotting, discharge, bleeding after intercourse, tummy and back pain), I was refused an NHS smear as I'm "not owed one" until three years after my last test, history / symptoms be damned.

The system was "reformed" in 2017. The NHS no longer do proper smear tests, just HPV tests. If you have HPV, you get a smear, if you dont, its off you go we'll see you in 3 years.

My private test showed major cell changes but HPV negative. My NHS GP surgery refused to acknowledge it or record the results on my medical record.
Luckily I'm already under an NHS gynaecologist (due to my symptoms), who initially agreed to refer me for colposcopy off the back of my private smear, but the referral was "triaged" and then rejected. My gynaecologist is just like 🤷🏻‍♀️ "You dont have HPV and around 50% cell changes rectify themselves without treatment. So yeah, bye."

50%? So 50% DONT rectify? And you think I'm betting my life on being in the lucky 50%, with my history and current symptoms? Is 50% really a good enough percentage to deny women with symptoms any further investigations? I dont think so, but apparently the NHS now does.

The NHS insists that as most (not all!) cervical cancers are caused by HPV, the women who fall into the grey area who have bad cells but no HPV are pretty rare, therefore our lives dont matter. Thats the message I'm getting.

Basically, I've just been abandoned by the NHS until I've got full-blown Big C, then maybe they might do something, if I'm lucky?

They can fuck off. I have two DDs who need their mum!

So here I am faffing around online trying to up my credit card limit so I can book myself in for a private colposcopy, and thinking to myself "If I didnt have to pay all this fucking money towards the NHS every month, I'd be able to afford this without credit!"

Sorry for the rambling ranty post I'm just stressed scared skint and at the end of my fucking tether

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Tryingtokeepgoing · 04/09/2024 16:14

@Captainmycaptains as posted above, previous Labour governments are equally culpable in the privatisation by stealth front - 13 years of Bliar/Brown is evidence of that. We need a party, any party, to be open and upfront about how to improve patent outcomes to be at least on par with our Western Europe neighbours.

Espousing the religion of NHS while surreptitiously privatising, as the last Labour government did, or overtly subcontracting elements of delivery as conservative governments have, doesn’t actually improve things for patients sufficiently. We know what doesn’t work - the US model or the NHS model. Of course the NHS model is better than the US one for most people. We know what does - social insurance and not for profit / private delivery as used in the best European countries. But we are not allowed the best healthcare “because NHS”

Captainmycaptains · 04/09/2024 15:53

YABU - sorry you’ve had a bad experience but the NHS has quite literally saved my life, my father’s life, gave my mother the kind of high quality cancer care that there was no way they could have afforded ( it would have bankrupted them as it does in so many cases in the USA), supports and takes care of my child’s asthma… I mean Incould go on.

It needs more money and investment- yup. Of course because the fucking private health using Tory twats spent the best part of 14?years trying to privatise the NHS by stealth.

I have lived and worked in the USA with the highest level of health insurance paid for by work - it still costs a fortune in ‘deductibles’ and quite honestly the care was often not a patch on the NHS.

Sparklesandbeer · 04/09/2024 15:41

CelestialNexus · 04/09/2024 12:17

You know you could just put another paragraph instead of spamming the thread with your (nonsense) updates?

They know very well...

Tryingtokeepgoing · 04/09/2024 13:36

BIossomtoes · 04/09/2024 10:19

It’s one of the report’s conclusions. Better take it up with its authors. 🤷‍♀️

I’ll drop them an email. I expect they’ll be glad that someone has read their report 👌

Paganpentacle · 04/09/2024 13:25

piccolorhinoceros · 29/08/2024 14:52

This x 100.

The NHS is broken, and I say that as staff. I don't appreciate your dig at lack of care. Most of us are trying to do the best we can with a lack of resource and shitty systems (your gynaecologist, for one).

Ditto.
And we're all leaving in droves and retiring early ... partly cos its a shit thankless job and partly because of the abuse.

LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 12:54

I’m payed minimum wage so far less than 30K fortunate people

CelestialNexus · 04/09/2024 12:17

LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 11:59

Torries said labour will break it teligraph money

You know you could just put another paragraph instead of spamming the thread with your (nonsense) updates?

CelestialNexus · 04/09/2024 12:16

Carriemac · 29/08/2024 14:40

I'm sorry about your diagnosis and poor treatment but you certainly do not pay about a weeks wages every month twoards the NHS . If you earn 30k you are not a net contributor.

I agree

30k,
Monthly total 2.5k, tax 290
Weekly £ 576.92

To wish I could stop paying into the utterly broken NHS black hole
LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 11:59

Torries said labour will break it teligraph money

LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 11:57

Nation insurance is NHS funding

LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 11:52

Don’t listen to labours lies

LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 11:51

The truth hearts dagger now in 5 - 10 years we will be in the 1600 s normal people be pore

LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 11:40

But starter or stamper removing the picture of the longest serving pm

LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 11:38

This is the deficit labour inherited

LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 11:38

Blair brown years the biggest deficit ever

LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 11:36

Unreasonable colonist

LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 11:35

No conservative reform party built NHS unions destroy most things what industrial action ever done much good

LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 11:32

Note they don’t agree

LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 11:31

The conservative reform party are more succure no one should be throne a pandemic then throun out

LivelyFox · 04/09/2024 11:28

The Labour Party fibbers there hi tax illegality there there to make all pore socialists (robbers)👿

BIossomtoes · 04/09/2024 10:25

All the details are here.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01441/SN01441.pdf

BIossomtoes · 04/09/2024 10:19

Tryingtokeepgoing · 03/09/2024 23:49

Worth noting also, now I remember, that one of the reasons take up of private healthcare was down in the period was the the Labour government abolished the tax relief that one used to be able to get, if over 60. So I’m not sure that particular statistic tells you what you think it’s telling you.

It’s one of the report’s conclusions. Better take it up with its authors. 🤷‍♀️

Tryingtokeepgoing · 03/09/2024 23:49

BIossomtoes · 03/09/2024 17:19

You’ve quite deliberately cherry picked from the report at your first link. Look at the first para of the conclusions on p12. I’ve tried really hard to copy and paste it but it’s not having it! It says there was 70% public satisfaction with the NHS in 2010 and - this is very telling - demand for private health insurance was down.

Worth noting also, now I remember, that one of the reasons take up of private healthcare was down in the period was the the Labour government abolished the tax relief that one used to be able to get, if over 60. So I’m not sure that particular statistic tells you what you think it’s telling you.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 03/09/2024 17:35

BIossomtoes · 03/09/2024 17:19

You’ve quite deliberately cherry picked from the report at your first link. Look at the first para of the conclusions on p12. I’ve tried really hard to copy and paste it but it’s not having it! It says there was 70% public satisfaction with the NHS in 2010 and - this is very telling - demand for private health insurance was down.

I’ve just highlighted a fact. The NHS delivered worse outcomes than many other healthcare systems. As set in in an independent report. No one’s disputing that it didn’t improve. The point is, despite all the spending and all the improvement, other health care models consistently deliver better outcomes. I just think that the public is entitled to better outcomes than the NHS can deliver.

You’ve cherry picked the 70% satisfaction number, if you want to be petty. Sure, they were happier than they had been - although almost a third of people weren’t. But in isolation it means little.

You’re of course free to disagree on better healthcare outcomes being important, and you might well choose to put the NHS as a system as above reproach with the impact on patients being acceptable collateral damage. But the facts say otherwise. And I think the public is entitled to better. And better is achievable under different models.

I note you have chosen not to comment on the level of privatisation and long term damage through piecemeal fiddling with the model rather than reform under the last Labour government, and subsequent coalition / Tory ones as well…. That’s why it needs reform.

BIossomtoes · 03/09/2024 17:19

You’ve quite deliberately cherry picked from the report at your first link. Look at the first para of the conclusions on p12. I’ve tried really hard to copy and paste it but it’s not having it! It says there was 70% public satisfaction with the NHS in 2010 and - this is very telling - demand for private health insurance was down.

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