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School Uniforms?

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tearsandtiaras · 29/08/2024 14:24

My socials are currently filled with anxious posts about being able to afford the correct uniform required for their children.

ND children who won't wear it- parents are anxious how this will be received.

I myself have had sleepless nights considering the cost with zero support from DD father. With added worry that as a full time worker I cannot access the uniform shop in opening times- which offers no option to click/ collect.

I work with families/ children/ teenagers daily- uniform is consistently an adder stressor to their lives.

I cannot understand why in 2024 when most office workers wear smart casual- we inflict this on to our children/ parents. Uniform is outdated.

Aibu?

OP posts:
Parker231 · 30/08/2024 02:28

Every time I read a school uniform thread, I’m so glad that DT’s went to a non uniform school

gottoget · 29/08/2024 22:38

YANBU - why this is still be allowed is baffling

violetsparkle · 29/08/2024 22:36

Windthebloodybobbinup · 29/08/2024 22:16

I find this argument completely baffling. My daughter has several jumpers in her drawer. I've just had to spend £80 on 3 school labelled jumpers. I've had to buy a tie, school trousers, special
Pe kit, special shoes, and on and on. This is all alongside her non school clothes. If people really cared about poverty proofing the school experience, why have I spent over £200 on uniform? Oh yes, and she also needs a particular type of pencil case, a special type of calculator, sketch books, and a bloody ukelale!

Hey don't diss the ukulele. Music really helps their brains.

Windthebloodybobbinup · 29/08/2024 22:16

PumpkinPie2016 · 29/08/2024 14:56

I do agree with a uniform - I teach in a school where some kids come from very economically deprived households and having to find own clothes that 'fit in' with the latest trends would be a nightmare.

However, I do think there should be a limit on items which have to have a logo/come from certain suppliers.
My son is still primary and no logo items are compulsory- I tend to buy 1 logo jumper and everything else from supermarkets.

At the school I teach at kids need a blazer, but trousers/skirts/jumper/shirts can be bought anywhere. They do have a logo PE kit but they wear PE kit all day on the days they have PE, so reduces other items needed.

We also hold a uniform sale each year where parents donate decent items their kids have grown out of and others can buy at reduced costs.

We also keep a supply of good quality, clean uniform items in school, so if a child does come without something/a parent cannot afford to replace straight away, we can lend stuff out.

I find this argument completely baffling. My daughter has several jumpers in her drawer. I've just had to spend £80 on 3 school labelled jumpers. I've had to buy a tie, school trousers, special
Pe kit, special shoes, and on and on. This is all alongside her non school clothes. If people really cared about poverty proofing the school experience, why have I spent over £200 on uniform? Oh yes, and she also needs a particular type of pencil case, a special type of calculator, sketch books, and a bloody ukelale!

Bunnycat101 · 29/08/2024 22:10

Our primary is sensible- no logos required. The thing I always find interesting though is that while the private schools near me have extensive uniform lists, the children seem to be most often in tracksuits or their pe kits as presumably much more practical than blazers.

Id not be upset at abolishing uniform full stop. My children haven’t had issues wearing their own clothes to nursery, holiday camps etc so I don’t see why they’d suddenly have problems during term time. In the workplace, I have become more casual every year. It is anachronistic to make an 11yo wear a blazer when very few adults still wear suit jackets.

Lovelysummerdays · 29/08/2024 22:10

I quite like uniform but our schools are fairly relaxed about it . Kids can wear trainers rather than school shoes for example. Joggers, skirts, trousers, hoodie, cardigan etc are all fine and bought from anywhere so long as right colours.

I think schools with specific, expensive suppliers are unreasonable but grey bottoms and a navy top is fine.

DappledThings · 29/08/2024 22:04

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/08/2024 15:37

But I don't think that any school should insist on blazers.

I went to an all girls secondary school in the 1980s and there was a blazer, but no-one was forced to wear it and hardly anyone did.

Blazers are impractical.

I was 14 in 1993 when there was a vote in my school and the outcome was that the vast majority of us voted for the blazer to become compulsory for the girls. Before that it was only compulsory for the boys.

I loved wearing uniform and I'd be annoyed and sad if my DC didn't wear it.

PaintedPottery · 29/08/2024 22:01

We have huge issues with secondary uniform due to sensory processing issues. It really adversely affects my child. We really do need to have practical, inclusive uniforms if we have to have them at all.

MrsStottlemeyer · 29/08/2024 21:44

OneFastDuck · 29/08/2024 19:58

I love uniform.

It's a leveller. Much much cheaper than normal outfits for 5 days a week, 38 weeks a year. Much less stress for parents and kids who just want to fit in. No time wasted with what to wear each morning.

Also like that they look smartish and there's no "inappropriate" clothes issues- whether that's bad language on the shirts, joggers under boys bums or girls flashing knickers. I bet there would be far more issues if it was just left upto the kids.

I disagree that it's cheaper, it's an added expense as it doesn't replace the need for regular clothes.
I've had umpteen arguments over the years about uniform with my DC. I wouldn't say it looks particularly smart and as for being more appropriate most of the girls in my DC's secondary wear those tiny stretchy bum showing skirts...

violetsparkle · 29/08/2024 21:12

DelurkingAJ · 29/08/2024 21:10

I was full height at 12…so only had one set of secondary uniform. I don’t know a boy who did the same. But yes, I don’t deny some girls still grow as fast as some boys!

You're lucky! I got through a fair bit as I was a fairly late developer

DelurkingAJ · 29/08/2024 21:10

violetsparkle · 29/08/2024 20:46

daughters grow quickly too

I was full height at 12…so only had one set of secondary uniform. I don’t know a boy who did the same. But yes, I don’t deny some girls still grow as fast as some boys!

FeelingSoOverwhelmed · 29/08/2024 20:46

I grew up and went to school in a country with no uniform (Spain) and now teach, and have school aged children in Scotland where most schools have a dress code but not a strictly enforced one. Like for example my kids wear black trousers and a white t-shirt. I refuse to buy special school shoes or hoodies because they have perfectly good trainers and hoodies and it seems wasteful to buy more just in a specific colour.

I never really understand the obsession with uniform. Surely people only like it because they're used to it. There's no real benefits otherwise how do you explain the fact that the UK doesn't have less bullying, better results etc than Europe/the US? Noone ever can on these type of threads.

violetsparkle · 29/08/2024 20:46

DelurkingAJ · 29/08/2024 20:09

If you have daughters, maybe not. My DS (11) is currently growing about two inches a year, I’m lucky if his uniform lasts a year and I suspect I’ve got another four or five years to go.

daughters grow quickly too

Nottodaty · 29/08/2024 20:15

@HauntedbyMagpies

Wear your own clothes day :) it used to be last day of term or charity day (children in need wear own clothes & say bring a £1 in.

moppety · 29/08/2024 20:14

Secondary school is black jumper, white shirt, school tie, black trousers, skirt or shorts and black trainers or school shoes. So really the only thing you have to buy from school supplier is the tie. So again that's not too bad. No blazer requirement unless you're a school prefect or similar.

Needmorelego · 29/08/2024 20:11

@HauntedbyMagpies mufti means non uniform.
I don't know the origin of the word though.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 29/08/2024 20:11

Ours is cheap and simple

Black trousers or skirt
Black jumper or cardigan
White shirt
Tie
Black shoes

Everything can be bought in a supermarket

No rules about materials except no denim

The issues arise (in England) where jumped up schools start specify materials and place of purchase.

DelurkingAJ · 29/08/2024 20:09

grafittiartist · 29/08/2024 15:46

It is a big outlay of money.
But/ there are plenty of second hand options- there are in my city anyway.
And- do people really buy a whole new set of uniform every summer? I just replaced items as and when needed.

If you have daughters, maybe not. My DS (11) is currently growing about two inches a year, I’m lucky if his uniform lasts a year and I suspect I’ve got another four or five years to go.

Tagyoureit · 29/08/2024 20:09

KrisAkabusi · 29/08/2024 14:51

Completely disagree. A school uniform is a much better option than kids having tantrums because the parents can't afford to buy new designer gear every month so they can be fashionable in school.

This with bells on!!

Uniforms are basic and everyone is wearing it.

Can you imagine the fights every morning because said child wants to only wear Ralph Lauren/Nike/addidas like all the other kids??

moppety · 29/08/2024 20:09

Thankfully our primary is really sensible, which I think is more common here in Scotland anyway. Either a badged logo jumper or plain blue jumper or cardigan preferred and then dark bottoms, which can be leggings, joggers, trousers, a dress. So you could buy a set for very cheaply if needed. They also have free secondhand logo uniform in the foyer of the school you can take if you need.

violetsparkle · 29/08/2024 20:07

HauntedbyMagpies · 29/08/2024 20:05

That's nice and easy to say when you can afford it! Uniform is more expensive than regular clothes. £12 for each sweater, £11 for a polo shirt in the summer etc. Regular clothes are so much cheaper

Polo shirts are 7.50 for a pack of 5 in asda

violetsparkle · 29/08/2024 20:06

A polo shirt and trousers really aren't that expensive. It's the logo stuff that adds up.

Your kid would have to wear something though so you do save a bit there. Though I guess they need something to wear outside school too in the evenings.

It's a tricky one I can understand why uniform exists. Not having it will only show up the haves and have nots more easily.

HauntedbyMagpies · 29/08/2024 20:05

OneFastDuck · 29/08/2024 19:58

I love uniform.

It's a leveller. Much much cheaper than normal outfits for 5 days a week, 38 weeks a year. Much less stress for parents and kids who just want to fit in. No time wasted with what to wear each morning.

Also like that they look smartish and there's no "inappropriate" clothes issues- whether that's bad language on the shirts, joggers under boys bums or girls flashing knickers. I bet there would be far more issues if it was just left upto the kids.

That's nice and easy to say when you can afford it! Uniform is more expensive than regular clothes. £12 for each sweater, £11 for a polo shirt in the summer etc. Regular clothes are so much cheaper

Suzuki70 · 29/08/2024 20:02

It should be generic, a universally sold colour (no bottle green or royal purple, thank you) and not require black shoes. What's wrong with polo shirts and a black/navy bottom half?

When I was at secondary years 10 and 11 could wear any black trousers or skirt, any white shirt and any black cardi or jumper with the school tie and we were still identifiable.

HauntedbyMagpies · 29/08/2024 20:01

@Nottodaty What the heck is mufti day?

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