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Starmer the non charmer

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Bogginsthe3rd · 29/08/2024 13:33

Now is the time to set out his vision for the UK, to inspire the UK towards harmony and productivity with a huge majority, which he will never have again. Instead there is a speech , presumably delayed by the riots, which continues to heap blame on the Tories. It was dour, depressing and offered no motivation to the public. There may be huge holes in the public finances and tough tax rises may be necessary, but he also needs to set out a grander plan for economic and societal prosperity. Why can he not do more ?

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ElsieMc · 29/08/2024 20:00

What is all this fake stern face stuff from Keir Starmer, like a headteacher after a school riot. Now step forward Rachel Reeves. When I see her face on tv, I absolutely dread what this mono-toned bringer of misery is going to do next. Same for the Education person (Bridget someone) who became very cross on GMB when asked a perfectly reasonable question she disagreed with and reverted to same stern expression.

I knew matters were difficult, but I did expect to see a bit of the early days of the Blair Government when there was a feeling of optimism following many years of Tory government.

I honestly think they had this all figured out prior to the election win. I mean which blackhole is it - the one they already knew about or a second one. When asked this quite pointedly by Mishal Hussein, RR became very flustered indeed.

Yes, I know it is down to the conservatives. But the winter fuel decision is Reeves not the conservatives. At least stand up and be counted.

Perplexed20 · 29/08/2024 19:58

@Bogginsthe3rd I didn't say there was a conspiracy.

I just think it's boring and ridiculous.

I wonder if you've just given the game away.

I love your vagueness about progress towards your 'personal and professional goals'. What are these then?

BitOutOfPractice · 29/08/2024 19:54

@Perplexed20 does putting 4lbs on count? 😬

you’re right. This impatience is ridiculous. Though Liz Truss managed to “achieve” a lot in less time.

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Bogginsthe3rd · 29/08/2024 19:53

Perplexed20 · 29/08/2024 19:50

You didn't answer my question.

What significant thing have you achieved in a time frame of 8 weeks? Start to finish.

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Your question is irrelevant as I am not the PM, but I have made personal and professional progress towards my goals. Now you can answer my question as to why you think there is an anti Starmer conspiracy, when actually valid questions should be raised about the tone and substance of his leadership so far?

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Perplexed20 · 29/08/2024 19:50

Bogginsthe3rd · 29/08/2024 19:45

There have been daily posts about mother in laws, I don't assume it's a plot by pro Bernard Manning supporters.

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You didn't answer my question.

What significant thing have you achieved in a time frame of 8 weeks? Start to finish.

BitOutOfPractice · 29/08/2024 19:47

@Fiddlemetimbers fear not. Balance is always restored on these threads. I haven’t seen the term “loony left” spouted so much since the 80s as on mn the last 2 months.

Daltonbear1 · 29/08/2024 19:45

Oh and calling starmer two tier isn't really sensible conservative speech either as they should want justice from the rioters and not slag off police who do difficult work

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Bogginsthe3rd · 29/08/2024 19:45

Perplexed20 · 29/08/2024 19:42

There have been more than one per day anti starmer, anti Labour thread.

They've been in government 8 weeks.

What significant thing have you achieved in 8 weeks? I'd be really interested to know.

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There have been daily posts about mother in laws, I don't assume it's a plot by pro Bernard Manning supporters.

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Daltonbear1 · 29/08/2024 19:44

Fiddlemetimbers · 29/08/2024 19:43

What I am finding utterly predictable about these threads is the people who are soon showing up and throwing the descriptor of "far right" about EVERYONE who is not 💯 towing their own left leaning the Labour party line.

Conservative voters, are not FAR right. There's barely a gap between the two major parties in which to slip a cigarette paper. They near enough all went to school together and come from the same stock. Modern politics is largely obfuscation, bullshit and petty tribal snideness. Maybe it's nothing new but the method of dissemination is making it all so much more obvious and ugly.

You r right but calling stramer a traitor is a vibe from the far right so shut up you know not what you r speaking about

Fiddlemetimbers · 29/08/2024 19:43

What I am finding utterly predictable about these threads is the people who are soon showing up and throwing the descriptor of "far right" about EVERYONE who is not 💯 towing their own left leaning the Labour party line.

Conservative voters, are not FAR right. There's barely a gap between the two major parties in which to slip a cigarette paper. They near enough all went to school together and come from the same stock. Modern politics is largely obfuscation, bullshit and petty tribal snideness. Maybe it's nothing new but the method of dissemination is making it all so much more obvious and ugly.

BitOutOfPractice · 29/08/2024 19:43

Daysnconfuddled · 29/08/2024 19:12

I agree, but two tier doesn’t have any of those characteristics.

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You base that on what? And by what yardstick?

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Bogginsthe3rd · 29/08/2024 19:42

Daltonbear1 · 29/08/2024 19:40

Nope mine is sleeping but they are looking out to the far right maybe the op should realise that we fought the nazis and the traitors are the nazis not starmer

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What part of your post relates to my post ?

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Perplexed20 · 29/08/2024 19:42

Bogginsthe3rd · 29/08/2024 19:30

Who by? Big Starmer?

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There have been more than one per day anti starmer, anti Labour thread.

They've been in government 8 weeks.

What significant thing have you achieved in 8 weeks? I'd be really interested to know.

pointythings · 29/08/2024 19:41

Daysnconfuddled · 29/08/2024 19:12

I agree, but two tier doesn’t have any of those characteristics.

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Please explain why you think the term 'two tier' is accurate and relevant, and before you do so, look up all the threads there have been on this topic - they contain a great deal of useful information that will prevent you from making mendacious and inaccurate statements.

Daltonbear1 · 29/08/2024 19:40

NeverDropYourMooncup · 29/08/2024 19:35

Anybody else's pets of a canine persuasion looking a bit confused at the moment - as though they can hear something?

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Nope mine is sleeping but they are looking out to the far right maybe the op should realise that we fought the nazis and the traitors are the nazis not starmer

jen337 · 29/08/2024 19:37

The Tories were whining on incessantly about New Labour Blairites and please point me in the direction of any charismatic rousing speeches that Cameron, May, Sunak delivered. Keep on scraping away at the bottom of the barrel with these dumb posts.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 29/08/2024 19:35

Daysnconfuddled · 29/08/2024 18:52

Yanbu OP. TwoTierKeir is a robot, a puppet, has no empathy, no vision, complete charisma bypass, doesn’t care, a traitor.

Anybody else's pets of a canine persuasion looking a bit confused at the moment - as though they can hear something?

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Bogginsthe3rd · 29/08/2024 19:30

Perplexed20 · 29/08/2024 19:23

Another thread. Almost like there's a concerted effort.
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Who by? Big Starmer?

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Julen7 · 29/08/2024 19:27

GinnyPiggie · 29/08/2024 16:11

No, Starmer isn't charismatic - we've had those PMs (Johnson) and they were incompetent weasels. He's fucking bright though and he's driven by wanting to improve things for people.

And yes we are here because of the last 14 years.

Wanting to improve things for people - pfffffftt!

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 19:25

I personally had more than enough “charm” and “charisma” from Johnson. I like having a politician who levels with me about just how bad it is. Did anyone really fall for Sunak and Hunt’s promises of tax cuts? No wonder you’re sore if you did - it was just more sunlit uplands and unicorns, wasn’t it?

Perplexed20 · 29/08/2024 19:23

Another thread. Almost like there's a concerted effort.
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Gwynn · 29/08/2024 19:20

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines - previously banned poster.

StarDolphins · 29/08/2024 19:19

Daltonbear1 · 29/08/2024 19:17

Not bitter just calling you out I see you the same sort on twitter the same sort that wanted the riots to play out as you don't want labour in power tough shit mate they are.

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My Response was to your other reply. The one that got deleted.

Daltonbear1 · 29/08/2024 19:17

StarDolphins · 29/08/2024 19:16

@Daltonbear1 right wing pricks? Maybe take a look at your bitterness & accept this is a forum open to all?Not just the ones that agree with you

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Not bitter just calling you out I see you the same sort on twitter the same sort that wanted the riots to play out as you don't want labour in power tough shit mate they are.

Daltonbear1 · 29/08/2024 19:16

Bollihobs · 29/08/2024 19:15

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Are you 12???

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I believe they are reform type voters prob men if I am honest uts a campaign to discredit keir it started with them riots