Starmer the non charmer

An official study? No.

But go by the local pubs, during working hours. Check out the smoking area then check out the inside but furthest away form the door.

Cheek out the vans rocking up around 4/5pm tradies getting out pack of baccy in hand.

talk to the landlord / landlady running the pub they know their regulars.

and despite the laws most smokers these days no someone or somewhere to get cheap baccy and fags. I could point out five shops locally who do under counter fags and I don’t smoke.

Only the God forsaken do things like smoke.
However, don't ban it in a capitalist society.
We need the revenue and it will go underground.
Ban smoking in homes, parks, public spaces.
But allow it in pubs and designated areas.

Well for over 14 years I've seen the NHS struggling, schools struggling, children going hungry. It isn't a pretty picture.

I think all politicians are as bad as each other - I think with Starmer, and I’m saying this as coming from a WC background - he’s disingenuous.

Preaching about how his family were WC, to make him look more like a man of a people, but, he’s shown his true colours, and turned his back on the people he tried to advocate for.

Him and Reeves are Cameron and Osborne in disguise, labelling the opposition as the cause of economic and social issues, to then unleash austerity which attacked the most vulnerable in society. I know people who were impacted heavily by austerity last time around - I was, but I’m an adult now - and they’re shitting the budget!!

They were crap though ?

It might be a tiny minority overall but it’s a large majority of pub goers.

Is it though ? do you have facts/figures to back that up ?

People who can afford to go to the pub often enough to make it a viable concern and who also smoke are probably going to be higher earners ? £20 for a packet of fags and pint of beer, and that's very much the lower estimate depending where you live.

Well yes ,the tories had 14 years to sort any shit but they just made people’s lives even harder ! Labour government are now trying to level up the inequality of the last 14 years between the rich and poor.
I will definitely take a big hit financially but it is the right thing for everyone.

I liked his speech.
To the point, sober, to the facts. We knew it was goingvto be a steep climb back to where we started, 10-14 years ago.
No sugar coating. Asking for togetherness.
Let me compare it to Rishi telling the citizens of the UK what a democracy is (LOL).......
Yeah, much much better. I do not feel patronised. I think Starmer knows what a democracy is and it runs through his blood.
I do know Rishi Sunak at least read it once, while he was telling us, plebs. Really. I will never forget his damn stupid speech! It was disgusting!

Yes the old gents the ones keeping the pub running frankly. The builders/tradies after work.

Not the once a week family. It’s the old timers who 9/10 smoke that keep the pub open for the once a weekers.

I'm so bored of these CPHQ posts.

It’s more than a decade since I stopped smoking and I entirely agree with you. I wonder if the ban will apply in the winter when smokers are the only people who want to use them?

It might be a tiny minority overall but it’s a large majority of pub goers.

The non smokers who avoid the pub because of people smoking outside won’t counter the smokers and possibly vapers who would stop going.

I think they should be allowed their smoking shed/bus stop area and nowhere else in the beer garden. Compromise.

Re the smoking thing, a tiny minority of people smoke now, why is it that the hospitality industry should pander to that minority and ignore the majority ? Is that not a bit of a weird business model ?
And I say this as someone who grew up and went out in the days when you could smoke everywhere, pubs, cinema, buses, trains, planes, hospitals etc

Yup I quit years and years ago but we all saw how pubs lost trade just by making people smoke outside. Make them not even be allowed a fag in the beer garden and they just won’t go at all. Booze is cheaper in Tesco and they can have a fag by a fire pit in their own gardens or pub shed or whatever they want to do.

I'm beginning to wonder if it's part of someone's job to post them.

Totally agree. Why on earth advertising for excessively sized portions of UPF is still legal I do not understand. They need to start taxing food based on it's calorie density & nutritional value & ban vape sales unless on prescription for people trying to give up smoking. Ramp up tax on food delivery & takeaway services too.

Pubs will close all up and down the county. And I say that as a non smoker

That's true but this isn't from the left this is from like the poster the right or far right it's all over at the min now he mentioned two tier kier to

Some are still upset that he doesn’t hold Corbyn in high regard

I mean why would he

It's far right dog whistle cos they didn't like him targeting the far right in the riots etc and they don't think he's tough enough on immigration and basically that's what they think about the left