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Starmer the non charmer

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Bogginsthe3rd · 29/08/2024 13:33

Now is the time to set out his vision for the UK, to inspire the UK towards harmony and productivity with a huge majority, which he will never have again. Instead there is a speech , presumably delayed by the riots, which continues to heap blame on the Tories. It was dour, depressing and offered no motivation to the public. There may be huge holes in the public finances and tough tax rises may be necessary, but he also needs to set out a grander plan for economic and societal prosperity. Why can he not do more ?

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minipie · 29/08/2024 16:54

Bogginsthe3rd · 29/08/2024 16:29

This isn't what I'm saying though. Yes he needs to he honest, pragmatic and competent; a bare minimum really, but not a given, as per previous leaders. At the same time, he has not set out a coherent vision for the UK, an aim for prosperity down the line, which leaders also need to consider. I'm not sure why you mentioned partygate?

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What sort of coherent vision did you have in mind?

Large scale visions for change sound impressive but tend to be extremist and/or unrealistic.

Nuts and bolts are tedious but are actually what’s important. IMO.

I didn’t mention partygate at all Confused

redwinechocolateandsnacks · 29/08/2024 16:53

It's our daily 'we hate the labour party thread' - hurray!

LittleBowSheep · 29/08/2024 16:49

SummerSplashing · 29/08/2024 16:17

@cupcaske123

get used to it, we're going to have 4 years of this. everything is going to be the Tories fault, every manifesto point he fails to meet, every tax he increases, everything.

people voted labour, they got labour.

no one can say they weren't warned what it would be like.

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And why shouldn't he blame the Tories for the mess the country is in?

If you don't think the Tories are to blame for this shambles, then who do you think is responsible?

I didn't vote Labour but I'm happy that the Tories have gone.

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Bogginsthe3rd · 29/08/2024 16:31

CurlewKate · 29/08/2024 16:29

@PickUpPlease "Despite voting for Labour, I have no issue with these threads."

I have no issue with political discussion. I do have an issue with people complaining that Starmer hasn't solved all the nation's problems already and doesn't appear to be able to play the ukulele.

He probably could play the Ukulele. He plays the flute, recorder and piano, and was a Guildhall music scholar

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Bogginsthe3rd · 29/08/2024 16:29

minipie · 29/08/2024 16:26

This.

In a choice between charismatic but untrustworthy and lazy, or boring but honest and competent (🤞) I’ll take the latter any day.

Voting people in on the basis of whether they’d be fun at a party is what got us into this mess.

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This isn't what I'm saying though. Yes he needs to he honest, pragmatic and competent; a bare minimum really, but not a given, as per previous leaders. At the same time, he has not set out a coherent vision for the UK, an aim for prosperity down the line, which leaders also need to consider. I'm not sure why you mentioned partygate?

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CurlewKate · 29/08/2024 16:29

@PickUpPlease "Despite voting for Labour, I have no issue with these threads."

I have no issue with political discussion. I do have an issue with people complaining that Starmer hasn't solved all the nation's problems already and doesn't appear to be able to play the ukulele.

minipie · 29/08/2024 16:26

GinnyPiggie · 29/08/2024 16:11

No, Starmer isn't charismatic - we've had those PMs (Johnson) and they were incompetent weasels. He's fucking bright though and he's driven by wanting to improve things for people.

And yes we are here because of the last 14 years.

This.

In a choice between charismatic but untrustworthy and lazy, or boring but honest and competent (🤞) I’ll take the latter any day.

Voting people in on the basis of whether they’d be fun at a party is what got us into this mess.

SummerSplashing · 29/08/2024 16:23

GinnyPiggie · 29/08/2024 16:11

No, Starmer isn't charismatic - we've had those PMs (Johnson) and they were incompetent weasels. He's fucking bright though and he's driven by wanting to improve things for people.

And yes we are here because of the last 14 years.

@GinnyPiggie

If he's your idea of 'bright' you have a VERY low bar.

PickUpPlease · 29/08/2024 16:23

I voted Labour. Because I want a better NHS and education system for the country as a whole. We are high earners and I am bracing myself for the changes in October and am dreading it if I’m honest. I just hope it has been worthwhile and that our public services will improve. Without decent public services we will all suffer, crime will increase and health and productivity will go down.

Despite voting for Labour, I have no issue with these threads. Surely there is nothing more important than the politics of our country and the effects of the prime minister’s decisions. This is a new government. Starmer has given his first speech. A depressing budget is looming. Why should this stuff not be analysed on a forum like this?

cupcaske123 · 29/08/2024 16:22

CurlewKate · 29/08/2024 16:20

What were you expecting, a song and dance act?

Nothing wrong with putting on a bit of a show.

BeachParty · 29/08/2024 16:21

Cluborange666 · 29/08/2024 15:44

Are we going to have one of these threads every day?

Looks like it 😁
I'm just amused to see what oh so clever name people come up with next.
Can tick off "Two Tier Kier" ( getting bored of that one now, it's so yesterday 😁)
Now it's apparently "The Non Charmer" 🙄😂
Wonder what's next 🤔😂

CurlewKate · 29/08/2024 16:20

What were you expecting, a song and dance act?

Function · 29/08/2024 16:20

Bogginsthe3rd · 29/08/2024 13:33

Now is the time to set out his vision for the UK, to inspire the UK towards harmony and productivity with a huge majority, which he will never have again. Instead there is a speech , presumably delayed by the riots, which continues to heap blame on the Tories. It was dour, depressing and offered no motivation to the public. There may be huge holes in the public finances and tough tax rises may be necessary, but he also needs to set out a grander plan for economic and societal prosperity. Why can he not do more ?

It was awful. I hate the Tories but the timbre of that speech was absolutely horrendous. He judged it completely wrong - turned me right off him (and I voted for him). What we need now is hope.

SummerSplashing · 29/08/2024 16:20

@KendraTheVampyrSlayer

Perhaps he's trying a brand new evolutionary tactic in politics - honesty?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

SummerSplashing · 29/08/2024 16:17

cupcaske123 · 29/08/2024 15:39

I agree. I was waiting for a Churchillian speech about beaches but it was a bit of a bore fest. Don't understand why he's going on about the Tories, they're last week's chip wrapping.

@cupcaske123

get used to it, we're going to have 4 years of this. everything is going to be the Tories fault, every manifesto point he fails to meet, every tax he increases, everything.

people voted labour, they got labour.

no one can say they weren't warned what it would be like.

cupcaske123 · 29/08/2024 16:16

HedgehogCabinFan · 29/08/2024 16:13

2tierStarmer and his clampdown on free speech is absolutely terrifying.

You not able to spread hate speech anymore?

pointythings · 29/08/2024 16:15

HedgehogCabinFan · 29/08/2024 16:13

2tierStarmer and his clampdown on free speech is absolutely terrifying.

This is yet another statement that demands the provision of evidence.

cupcaske123 · 29/08/2024 16:15

GasPanic · 29/08/2024 16:09

Well if you look back there used to be one having a go at the Tories pretty much every other day.

Not so easy now the boot is on the other foot though.

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Well the Tories were a shit show.

HedgehogCabinFan · 29/08/2024 16:13

2tierStarmer and his clampdown on free speech is absolutely terrifying.

Andthereitis · 29/08/2024 16:11

GasPanic · 29/08/2024 16:06

If they wanted to improve the nation's health surely a tax on sugar, snacks and fast food would be more productive rather than clamping down on cigarettes for the umpteenth time.

Just so long as they leave out Walkers Paprika Max Crunch - in the spirit of taxing everyone else but me.

No.

Carrot not stick.
Seriously.

The veg we can grow in this UK should be dirt cheap. Because we have so much lovely farmland we can rewild, solar or house build on it.

Have Jamie Oliver write a book "cooking with UK seasonal vegetables" ..

GinnyPiggie · 29/08/2024 16:11

No, Starmer isn't charismatic - we've had those PMs (Johnson) and they were incompetent weasels. He's fucking bright though and he's driven by wanting to improve things for people.

And yes we are here because of the last 14 years.

GasPanic · 29/08/2024 16:09

NeverDropYourMooncup · 29/08/2024 16:05

And all in the same tone - woe, woe and thrice woe.

I wonder whether they realise they sound so dreary whatever it is that they're going on about in each of their litanies?

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Well if you look back there used to be one having a go at the Tories pretty much every other day.

Not so easy now the boot is on the other foot though.

cupcaske123 · 29/08/2024 16:08

NeverDropYourMooncup · 29/08/2024 16:05

And all in the same tone - woe, woe and thrice woe.

I wonder whether they realise they sound so dreary whatever it is that they're going on about in each of their litanies?

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It's always the same thing: money. How to keep hold of their money.

GasPanic · 29/08/2024 16:06

If they wanted to improve the nation's health surely a tax on sugar, snacks and fast food would be more productive rather than clamping down on cigarettes for the umpteenth time.

Just so long as they leave out Walkers Paprika Max Crunch - in the spirit of taxing everyone else but me.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 29/08/2024 16:05

cupcaske123 · 29/08/2024 15:48

They're pretty relentless.

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And all in the same tone - woe, woe and thrice woe.

I wonder whether they realise they sound so dreary whatever it is that they're going on about in each of their litanies?

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