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Starmer the non charmer

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Bogginsthe3rd · 29/08/2024 13:33

Now is the time to set out his vision for the UK, to inspire the UK towards harmony and productivity with a huge majority, which he will never have again. Instead there is a speech , presumably delayed by the riots, which continues to heap blame on the Tories. It was dour, depressing and offered no motivation to the public. There may be huge holes in the public finances and tough tax rises may be necessary, but he also needs to set out a grander plan for economic and societal prosperity. Why can he not do more ?

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ilovesooty · 04/10/2024 21:40

Grieve was a decent Tory. Of course Johnson got rid of the decent Tories.

BIossomtoes · 04/10/2024 13:19

XelaM · 04/10/2024 10:47

Starmer has always been terrible in all his previous jobs. Not sure why it should be different now he's PM.

People who actually know about these things, including the Tory Attorney General at the time, say he was an excellent DPP. Outstanding, in fact.

BeachParty · 04/10/2024 12:21

XelaM · 04/10/2024 10:47

Starmer has always been terrible in all his previous jobs. Not sure why it should be different now he's PM.

Source? Or just more hyperbolic mutterings from someone still sulking that Labour got in?

newnamethanks · 04/10/2024 12:07

Time for a cup of tea without a doubt.

XelaM · 04/10/2024 12:06

newnamethanks · 04/10/2024 11:43

He has always been terrible? Are you sure? Given the bizarre progress of Johnson that would appear to be a recommendation for the job.

Yes, he was useless as a DPP.

Ot a fan of Johnson either, but for me personally Starmer is much worse.

newnamethanks · 04/10/2024 11:43

He has always been terrible? Are you sure? Given the bizarre progress of Johnson that would appear to be a recommendation for the job.

pointythings · 04/10/2024 11:07

XelaM · 04/10/2024 10:47

Starmer has always been terrible in all his previous jobs. Not sure why it should be different now he's PM.

This statement requires evidence in order to be credible.

XelaM · 04/10/2024 10:47

Starmer has always been terrible in all his previous jobs. Not sure why it should be different now he's PM.

pointythings · 04/10/2024 10:29

BIossomtoes · 04/10/2024 09:53

You forgot cancelling Rwanda.

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And implementing the legislation on buffer zones for abortion clinics.

BIossomtoes · 04/10/2024 09:53

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 04/10/2024 09:42

Nothing but damage? Do you think that, for instance, stopping Sunak's £40m private helicopter contract is nothing but damage? Putting a minister in charge of prisons who actually knows about prisons, and putting a scientist in charge of science? Stopping racist riots? Planning reforms that make building new homes easier?

What do you imagine the Tories were going to do if they had stayed in power? For sure it would have been more expensive government contracts and tax breaks for their friends, whilst taking away employment security and women's rights. And Sunak would probably have chartered another helicopter.

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You forgot cancelling Rwanda.

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 04/10/2024 09:42

Daysnconfuddled · 04/10/2024 08:29

FreeGearKeir and his Clowns are a disgrace and traitors to the country.
They have done nothing but damage so far, constantly devising and rolling out ways to make people colder, poorer, less safe, voiceless, die earlier, retire later.

Nothing but damage? Do you think that, for instance, stopping Sunak's £40m private helicopter contract is nothing but damage? Putting a minister in charge of prisons who actually knows about prisons, and putting a scientist in charge of science? Stopping racist riots? Planning reforms that make building new homes easier?

What do you imagine the Tories were going to do if they had stayed in power? For sure it would have been more expensive government contracts and tax breaks for their friends, whilst taking away employment security and women's rights. And Sunak would probably have chartered another helicopter.

PandoraSox · 04/10/2024 09:15

Daysnconfuddled · 04/10/2024 08:29

FreeGearKeir and his Clowns are a disgrace and traitors to the country.
They have done nothing but damage so far, constantly devising and rolling out ways to make people colder, poorer, less safe, voiceless, die earlier, retire later.

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jurassic park deal with it GIF
BIossomtoes · 04/10/2024 09:01

BeachParty · 04/10/2024 08:53

Agree, posts like that just get an eye roll
The ridiculous names are getting boring too 😁

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My Tory MP’s at it on X now. It’s going down very badly with his constituents who expect him to have a degree of gravitas.

BeachParty · 04/10/2024 08:53

LizzieSiddal · 04/10/2024 08:38

Your post is so full of hyperbole, it cannot be taken seriously.

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Agree, posts like that just get an eye roll
The ridiculous names are getting boring too 😁

Sharptonguedwoman · 04/10/2024 08:43

I didn't hear the speech, just picked up the essence of it later. I think I was hoping for something much more imaginative-such as revolutionising housing somehow to make it impossible for people to have property standing empty for years. Using currently empty properties (64 000 in London the last time I looked it up) for social housing instead of allowing greenfield building. I'm much more bothered about the environment than putting VAT on private schools.
Taking back utilities into public ownership kind of thing. I don't believe personally that anyone should be able to profit from power, water or transport. They are public services and regarded as such in other countries.
I'm not hopeful.

LizzieSiddal · 04/10/2024 08:38

Daysnconfuddled · 04/10/2024 08:29

FreeGearKeir and his Clowns are a disgrace and traitors to the country.
They have done nothing but damage so far, constantly devising and rolling out ways to make people colder, poorer, less safe, voiceless, die earlier, retire later.

Your post is so full of hyperbole, it cannot be taken seriously.

Daysnconfuddled · 04/10/2024 08:29

FreeGearKeir and his Clowns are a disgrace and traitors to the country.
They have done nothing but damage so far, constantly devising and rolling out ways to make people colder, poorer, less safe, voiceless, die earlier, retire later.

shadypines · 03/10/2024 22:58

Enough already about charismatic 'characters', namely Johnson. Sticky up hair, a colourful love life and more costume changes than Mr Benn is not a character.
Starmer can jog on aswell, £30 K handout for clothes etc while some pensioners are scared to put heating on. Enough said.

cupcaske123 · 05/09/2024 08:34

HarrietTrotter · 05/09/2024 08:30

If only there was an option to scroll past 🖕

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If only.

HarrietTrotter · 05/09/2024 08:30

cupcaske123 · 29/08/2024 15:48

They're pretty relentless.

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If only there was an option to scroll past 🖕

Fireplacewatcher · 05/09/2024 08:16

the psychology of people never ceases to amaze me.

The amount of people here that support tax increases when implemented by their party of choice.
The believing the need for tax increases is due to Tory blunders.

There is no need for either party to make these increases, they need to spend the pot on our shores more.

Perhaps question why we have higher taxes, less benefits to the people of the land, yet we have a high population than those you could make the comparison with.

Why is everyone so quick to follow what the media feeds them rather than seeking facts?

I’m sure people will continue to be blindly led than admit they may have got it wrong supporting their party and the narrative fed to them.
Ego is costly.

MushMonster · 05/09/2024 07:21

Labour has started the process of modifying the House of Lords by removing the hereditary peers, what do we think of that?
Because I think it is what they should do indeed. The members of yhe House of Lords should be there by sheer knowledge of the constitution and law, not by birth.

Function · 01/09/2024 19:15

Bogginsthe3rd · 01/09/2024 08:29

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gvdz28pelo
A similar bbc article to my post. Was this one from Tory HQ also?

I saw this! Thought they’d been consulting Mumsnet

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 01/09/2024 17:43

Gorgeousfeet · 01/09/2024 16:59

I take it you wasn’t one of the millions of people who had relied on furlough to hellp them through the nightmare that was Covid….

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You do realise the Tories didn't do that out of the goodness of their hearts, don't you? It was and is simply a part of standard pandemic planning which had been in place for decades, and there were similar systems in other countries. And if you talk to self-employed people, you will discover the Tories still mucked things up for them royally.

How do you feel about, for instance, the way fuel costs whacked up under the Tories? Still grateful to them?

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