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Measles … I don’t understand!

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dol1 · 29/08/2024 07:09

Dd has had the vaccine at 12 months. I’ve been watching news and there is apparently a ‘surge’ in cases now. The second vaccine for it isn’t until she’s 3… does this mean she could well get measles between now and then?

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countrygirl99 · 29/08/2024 08:58

PepaWepa · 29/08/2024 08:50

No, I think you'll find it was very common. Please refer to my comment above.

It was not common
I was there, were you? Every, but everyone knew someonewho had been permanently damaged by measles and very few were stupid enough to get their kids exposed deliberately.

EmpressOfTheThread · 29/08/2024 08:58

Thank you, @veritasverity . I think people genuinely underestimate these kinds of diseases and their impact. People were understandably terrified of measles.

Devilsmommy · 29/08/2024 08:58

Emsie1987 · 29/08/2024 08:23

Oh and when we was home I still had to take my eldest to school. I called the school to explain I had a baby with measles. Could I please drop my child off later and pick him up earlier to avoid other parents mainly the ones with new babies. Nope. Just come in as usual.

I wasn't impressed.

Its really scary that people think it's absolutely fine to have a baby with measles around other babies who haven't yet been vaccinated 😳 I really can't understand how as a parent you can happily not get your child vaccinated, I can't wrap my head around it at all. Glad your little one is ok now

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 29/08/2024 08:57

queenMab99 · 29/08/2024 08:29

I had measles when still a baby in the 50s, it left me with permanently poor eyesight, it was closely followed by chicken pox, as my sister had just started school, and brought home all the infections! Thank goodness for the vaccination programme! I can't believe that parents are just letting all the advantages fall by the wayside. Childhood used to be blighted with constant illnesses which swept through schools, causing disruption to education, and children often debilitated for a while, if not permanently damaged. My mother was not a believer in parties to spread these illnesses as she had lived through the 20s and 30s when children still often died from them, including her own little brother.

It can be very salutary to walk through an old churchyard, with graves from the 1800s, and see how many gravestones list 2, 3, or even more children from the same family, all dead within a very few weeks from the same epidemic.

bruffin · 29/08/2024 08:57

shallweorderpizza · 29/08/2024 07:54

‘tis true.

There is a Malory Towers book where Alicia faints in an exam and everyone is frightfully relived when it is ‘only’ measles Smile

You are misrepresenting it.
Alicia is relieved that it was measles because she had thought that the brain fog she had during the exam was retribution for her sneering at her class mates that were not as clever as her.

veritasverity · 29/08/2024 08:56

VestaTilley · 29/08/2024 08:15

@LynetteScavo deliberate exposure was quite common up to 40/50 years ago. The younger the better was the view.

You're talking bilge mate. There was an outbreak of measles in the early 1950s, before an effective jab had been made. Every case was notifiable and put into isolation. Absolutely no bloody way would there have been measles parties, there was an outbreak in 1952/3 in my mums school, the school was temporarily closed, to try and put a break on the spread, my mums best friend was left severely disabled and never returned back to the school.
40/50 years ago there was a vaccine and measles was pretty much eradicated from the UK.
Measles doesn't just kill, it causes all manner of disabilities including severe brain damage, bilateral hearing loss, permanent blindness, to name but a few. It can cause damage and death to the healthiest of people. It's not called Morbillivirus hominis for nothing you know!

EmpressOfTheThread · 29/08/2024 08:54

You are being a responsible parent OP, and getting your child vaccinated. You are giving her as much protection as possible against diseases which previously harmed, seriously harmed or killed children. Even if she meets children with less responsible parents, she will have a good measure of protection.

Almostwelsh · 29/08/2024 08:54

German measles parties might have been a thing in the past. German measles is Rubella, which is usually only dangerous when caught in pregnancy, so before vaccination parents did want girls to catch it young. So there may be some confusion there.

Hoardasurass · 29/08/2024 08:54

Sweetswede · 29/08/2024 08:44

It's not "dangerous nonsense" , it's a fact. Some people did want their children to get measles to get it done and over with before vaccines. You'd most likely get it at some point anyway

The dangerous nonsense is that posters claim that measles is only harmful for immunocompromised, this is nonsense and a lie. If you'd bothered to actually read my post you would see that I explained about the parties and that they were ONLY for VACCINATED people

Fraaahnces · 29/08/2024 08:53

All that bullshit publicity about MMR causing autism has been responsible for a lot of damage. Measles was virtually nonexistent and now it’s back thanks to those eejits. It’s been disproved over and over again, but they insist on “doing their own research” and going out into the community and spreading their misinformation and their germs.

Bodeganights · 29/08/2024 08:53

LynetteScavo · 29/08/2024 07:34

Which country and decade was this?

I've never, ever met a parent who wanted to expose their child to measles, even those who chose not to vaccinate.

1950s measles parties were a thing, they carried on past the 50s because things like that do. I caught measles from a measles party age about 2, I dont remember exactly because I was so young.

ODFOx · 29/08/2024 08:51

curious79 · 29/08/2024 07:23

And if she does get it in all likelihood, she’ll be absolutely fine. It is immunocompromised and already unwell kids who fare badly from measles. When I was growing up our parents would literally take us to peoples houses when they had measles so we could all catch it and be done with it.

I think that you are confusing measles with chicken pox, which is generally milder as a childhood illness then in adults, so chicken pox parties were indeed a thing. Measles has a significantly higher chance of permanent injury or death and has never been taken lightly, except by anti-vaxers. When my DM was a child they still isolated children with measles.

Chocolateorange22 · 29/08/2024 08:51

There are also a generation of us now 30+ who have ever had one dose. My DH is immunosuppressed and has never had the MMR jab. As I've only had one dose as a kid our GP agreed for me to have a booster just incase earlier this year. My DS literally had his pre school booster with it in yesterday.

PepaWepa · 29/08/2024 08:50

countrygirl99 · 29/08/2024 08:50

@pepawepa. I was born in the 50s. I don't know anyone who deliberately exposed their childrento measles. It terrified parents as did polio. On the contrary anyone who didn't try to avoid exposure to even suspected measles would have been regarded as terminally stupid. I don't know if your ancestors were that stupid but suspect you are just muddled.

No, I think you'll find it was very common. Please refer to my comment above.

countrygirl99 · 29/08/2024 08:50

@pepawepa. I was born in the 50s. I don't know anyone who deliberately exposed their childrento measles. It terrified parents as did polio. On the contrary anyone who didn't try to avoid exposure to even suspected measles would have been regarded as terminally stupid. I don't know if your ancestors were that stupid but suspect you are just muddled.

PepaWepa · 29/08/2024 08:49

InWalksBarberalla · 29/08/2024 08:44

Isn't measles more dangerous for children- so why would people have measles parties? As opposed to chicken pox parties where it was thought it was better to have it younger.

Whereas these days, people pay for chicken pox vaccines. A completely normal childhood disease which our parents wanted us to catch young.
Future generations probably won't believe we had chicken pox parties, either.

JudgeJenny · 29/08/2024 08:46

LynetteScavo · 29/08/2024 07:34

Which country and decade was this?

I've never, ever met a parent who wanted to expose their child to measles, even those who chose not to vaccinate.

i think that would have been German measles. People did that because of the devastating consequences of getting it whilst pregnant. Thankfully there’s a vaccine now.

Disastrouspottytraining · 29/08/2024 08:45

InTheRainOnATrain · 29/08/2024 07:59

Same except no one told me it was different to what’s in the red book and I’d had my first abroad so I had no clue and DS was a little over 2 when I had a stroppy call from the nurse asking why he hadn’t had it.

OP I wouldn’t worry as they will have protection from the first vaccine but if you are in a big city, especially London, I think it’s definitely worth a call to the GP to see if they do the second one early. My experience was that they didn’t contact me until well over 6 months later.

It also isn't the same in every part of London - I think it depends on whether there are high rates if measles in each borough. So for example, my friends in Wandsworth and Lambeth did get the 2nd one early - we in Merton get the 2nd one at the usual age. Also doesn't help with the confusion!

InWalksBarberalla · 29/08/2024 08:44

Isn't measles more dangerous for children- so why would people have measles parties? As opposed to chicken pox parties where it was thought it was better to have it younger.

Sweetswede · 29/08/2024 08:44

Hoardasurass · 29/08/2024 08:06

This is dangerous nonsense I lost family members (who were perfectly healthy before) and others who were left disabled by it.
Aa for measles parties yes they were common but ONLY for children who HAD ALREADY BEEN VACCINATED! It was to help improve the efficiency of the vaccine as the single dose vaccine was not as effective as the modern MMR.
Please stop spreading harmful and dangerous anti wax propaganda

It's not "dangerous nonsense" , it's a fact. Some people did want their children to get measles to get it done and over with before vaccines. You'd most likely get it at some point anyway

Strictlymad · 29/08/2024 08:44

Butterflyfern · 29/08/2024 07:13

The surge is because there is a huge rise in people not vaccinating their children, not the vaccine wearing off early.

It's particularly obvious in diseases that are thought of as "old fashioned", so people underestimate the risk they pose. And, selfishly, they think other children will be vaccinated and therefore protect their own.

There was a spike in whooping cough this year too, again because idiots haven't vaccinated their children

Yep….
my son is immuno compromised and was in hospital last month, three cases of whooping cough on the ward. Two weeks ago I’m in Tesco and there’s a very obvious family of kids with whooping cough spreading it round the aisles! It’s so inconsiderate

frazzledbutcalm · 29/08/2024 08:43

shallweorderpizza · 29/08/2024 07:54

‘tis true.

There is a Malory Towers book where Alicia faints in an exam and everyone is frightfully relived when it is ‘only’ measles Smile

I loved reading Malory Towers as a child ❤️

llamajohn · 29/08/2024 08:42

PepaWepa · 29/08/2024 08:37

Yes they did, but believe what you want

People had chicken pox parties. Never heard of measles parties.

llamajohn · 29/08/2024 08:41

curious79 · 29/08/2024 07:23

And if she does get it in all likelihood, she’ll be absolutely fine. It is immunocompromised and already unwell kids who fare badly from measles. When I was growing up our parents would literally take us to peoples houses when they had measles so we could all catch it and be done with it.

MEASLES?
You all deliberately caught MEASLES? 😱😱😱

Are you sure you aren't talking about chicken pox?

Adrieeeeenne · 29/08/2024 08:41

The increase in cases is because less people are vaccinating:

vaccination rates are "well below" what is recommended by the World Health Organization…."On average about only 85% of children are arriving at school having had the two MMR doses," she said.
NHS figures show uptake of both MMR doses by the age of five was considered very low in some areas in 2022-23:
74% in London
83.7% in West Midlands
85.1% in the North West
WHO recommends two-dose vaccination coverage of at least 95% of the population because measles is highly infectious and spreads easily.
But in cities like Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham and Nottingham only 75% of five-year-olds are in that position.

(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68028530.amp)

it’s one to take seriously - by having a vaccination

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