Measles … I don’t understand!

Because deliberately exposing children to measles is very dangerous and could kill them and what you are saying could encourage the practice and lead to death/severe disability.

Either you are wrong or your ancestors were very, very stupid/didn't care if their kids died. There are no other explanations for your assertions. I hope you are just getting muddled with other diseases.

My grandmother was left profoundly deaf after contracting measles and my husbands uncle had an eye removed when he was 5 due to severe complications which had left him in pain and blind in that eye, both my dc were fully vaccinated

I've also had multiple rubella vaccines and I always test as having no immunity to it. At last count I've had 8 rubella vaccines and none has taken, several family members are the same so I wonder if it's a genetic trait and for some reason we kill that portion of the MMR jab without forming any immune response to it.

My father used to smoke 2 packets a day at home, and few people will do that today with their children. The old days were not the best from today's healthcare knowledge..

I remember visiting my grandmother the day after my DD had had her MMR (20 years ago). My grandmother told me her older brother and sister had both died as young children from measles. The idea that my grandmother would have had a measles party is laughable. They were terrified of it and rightly so.

You're referring to chicken pox, not measles.

Measles is a unique virus in its ability to reset/wipe out your immune system and the antibodies you've acquired, leaving you vulnerable to all infections including the ones you've already been vaccinated against. It can take up to 5 years for someone to regain a healthy immune system following a measles infection.

This is extremely dangerous:

'Examination of child mortality rates in the U.S., U.K., and Denmark in the decades before and after the introduction of the measles vaccine revealed that nearly half of all childhood deaths from infectious disease could be related to MV infection when the disease was prevalent. That means infections other than measles resulted in death, due to the MV effect on the immune system.'

https://asm.org/articles/2019/may/measles-and-immune-amnesia#:~:text=Immune%20Amnesia%3A%20How%20Your%20Immune%20System%20Forgets%20to%20Fight&text=During%20the%20acute%20phase%20of,new%2C%20MV%2Dspecific%20lymphocytes.

It’s weird as I’ve had multiple cycles of mmr vaccine! I had them all when I was a child then when I was pregnant they discovered I wasn’t immune to rubella, but was measles and mumps.

They waited until I’d had my son to revaccinate me as said it’s a live vaccine, after having the full course a 2nd time, they tested me again and I’ve still not got sufficient immunity to rubella, so it’s a bit odd but I have measles and mumps.

I’m a nurse though and we’re seeing so many cases of diseases that weren’t on the horizon as much like TB and measles. My sons school had 5 cases of measles last year and we live in Yorkshire and somewhere that is not hugely populated

Because we lived it . Even if everybody you knew was lucky enough to be " just fine" the illness itself is horrible and nobody would want their child to go through it even if they had no long term effects.

Unfortunately, OP, there are a lot of selfish, ignorant people out there who aren't vaccinating their children.

I don't think unvaccinated children should be allowed in state funded nurseries, preschools or schools without being vaccinated, personally, unless there are solid medical issues that particular individuals shouldn't have certain vaccinations.

One of Agatha Christie’s plots was based on the fact of someone with German measles deliberately going out regardless to meet a celebrity, who was pregnant and whose baby was consequently born with severe brain damage.

Read the details from pp - yes they did.

I think it’s a strange one as it’s meant to be extremely contagious - I was never vaccinated for anything and when my siblings had measles I didn’t catch it ?? Also when they had chickenpox I didn’t get it (I got it 7 months later?) .
My dc had their vaccines very late and didn’t have mmr till age 10 . We also vaccinated for c pox after my eldest got it badly (but ds who was 4 at the time didn’t get it and then he didn’t get it either when nearly his whole class did ??)

I think the first mmr gives 80 something % protection and the second 90 something % ? So she should be covered till she has tbe pre school booster

I wasn't there, but elder generations were. Why are you getting your knickers in a twist about this?

@SabrinaThwaite that's really interesting about you getting infections after.
They've found that measles infection causes immune system amnesia, once infected with measles, your immune system loses all it's memory of previous infections and vaccinations so you are more vulnerable to them too.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211112-the-people-with-immune-amnesia

I know nobody permanently damaged by measles, however, I do know elders who caught it and are just fine. You can also see from this thread that it was common, even if you didn't experience it yourself.

Thank you :) - ashamed I didn't think of placental transfer (kicking myself now!)

@PepaWepa read the details from pp - no-one had measles parties.

Do you mean chickenpox?

No. She will be covered till her next vaccine. The surge is because people aren't vaccinating. Vaccinations have got out of hand IMHO. I'm not surprised more people are getting concerned about side effects.

Someone I know, her brother caught measles in the 80s. He recovered at the time but ten years later died of SSPE. It's a progressive untreatable fatal neurological disease caused by measles infection which happens years after the initial infection. It's rare I think but devastating.

I had measles as a child because my parents refused to vaccinate me. It was horrific. Any parent that refuses to vaccinate their children (bar medical exceptions obviously) are unfit and negligent parents who should have their children removed and be forcibly sterilised. They are abusive POS parents.

I’ll state again - that opinion excludes parents unable to vaccinate their children due to medical reasons such as allergy etc.

German measles (rubella) maybe, because that was safer to have as a child and as a female you definitely did not want it as an adult. I’d be very surprised if it was for measles in the pre-vaccine times.

I had measles in early 1970s, although my DM thinks I must have been vaccinated because she would have taken up any vaccines if offered (so I probably must have had a mild case). I remember the doctor coming daily to check on me and being off school for quite a while, and I did suffer regularly from tonsillitis for years afterwards.

It is impossible to underestimate the risks the uninformed are prepared to take.

"Popular in the 1950s before mass immunisation, the measles party is making a comeback"
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2001/jul/26/healthandwellbeing.health

@Redmat don't you love how people who weren't there are insistent that they know better than those who were.

Nobody had measles parties. That's plain wrong. It's a frightening illness. My eyesight was permanently damaged. The doctor came twice a day. Children died and were left with far more serious handicaps than my sight problems. No parent in their right mind wanted their children to get measles.