Measles … I don’t understand!

A fact that was omitted from a previous post.

From the NHS page detailing eligibility for the catch-up programme

• "you were born between 1970 and 1990 (as you may not have been vaccinated against all 3 infections)"

ie, you are eligible because it is possible you may never have received a mumps immunisation (not because the single measles or rubella jabs were insufficiently effective)

Absolutely This. My DF who recently passed away aged 87 wore glasses from the age of 5 after his eyesight was severely damaged by measles.

This.

My DD was hospitalised and required life-saving emergency surgery when she had scarlet fever. After she was out of hospital, I bumped into an elderly neighbour who knew DD had been poorly and in hospital but not why. When I said it was because she'd had scarlet fever, the colour literally drained from my neighbour's face. And this was a woman who'd had diptheria as a child.

my family suffers from GEFS+ which is a SCNa1 mutation. Mild form is abnormal febrile confulsions which go on past puberty and a lot more than normal ie my ds had over 20 and had his last one at 13

The extreme form is Dravet syndrome which cause seizures in infants that cause brain damage. When researchers looked at genes of children with what they thought was supposed vaccine injury it turned out they had SCNa1 mutations .Sometimes the vaccine can trigger Dravet Syndrome but it does not cause Dravet Syndrome and any temperature will have triggered the onset.

The second dose is definitely needed to cover the measles and mumps because a bunch of kids my age only had one dose of mmr and then loads of young adults got mumps at uni in the early 2000s and they gave them a second dose of mmr. It was in the news and I remember my uni doing clinics. (I didn’t need it as I’d had mumps as a kid though)

There was a little girl in my village who had brain damage from whooping cough vaccine in the 1970s. Having seen the baby before and after the vaccine there was definitely a huge change.

In this country . Certainly in the 1950s and possibly after that too. I was sent to try to catch the usual childhood illnesses but didn't.

Many healthy children sadly died from measles.

I had chicken pox as an adult - felt dreadful. DC had had the CP vaccination (it was a requirement to attend nursery where we had been living) and had a very mild case, just a few red bumps and felt a bit poorly. DC was over it in a couple of days - I was off work for a fortnight.

Yes I agree, my niece ended up in hospital from chickenpox complications and it was horrible. I would fully support the chickenpox vaccination being added to the routine immunisations for children.

You mention chickenpox, but, if you see the post l made earlier, you will notice that l made the point that it can be a very nasty illness. Most children will have it relatively mildly and recover quickly, but for a sizeable minority of people, especially adults, it can be really dangerous. People have occasionally died from it. As it is, my immunity was already compromised from having flu (the real thing, not just a bad cold) a few weeks prior to catching chickenpox, which is why I was quite as poorly as I was. Later in the year, the ear infections that had plagued me when I was smaller returned with a vengeance, to the point where I had major surgery and a lifetime of hearing impediments. Childhood diseases are mainly fairly mild for most children, but l think we are mistaken if we think that there are no risks or side effects that are possible. There is a reason that most children's illnesses of the past are now vaccinated against and any churchyard will tell its own story.

That's interesting, I didn't know that.

As for Wakefield, the autism and MMR thing was definitely a topic before he published his research. It wasn't his idea. He just ran with it to try to make money (I didn't know about his links to the single vaccine, I just knew he was after making money somehow!)

Above in response to @Reugny.

One of the very first posts on this thread said that 'in all likelihood they'll be fine' and used the apparent measles parties as justification.

Of course I know many on this thread would have grandparents etc born before 1940 - my own were! I'm just pointing out that measles has been thought of as a very dangerous disease for a long long time and for posters to flippantly remark that 'they used to have measles parties after all' is both inaccurate and dangerous as it could lead people to think that its similar to something like chickenpox.

So now you are blaming mothers if their child ends up in hospital with complications or ends deaf or with sight problems?

While being malnourished means you are more likely to have complications that isn't the only reason.

Anyone mentioning there were parties for various diseases are not saying it was or is safe to catch the relevant disease.

BTW I know and have known people alive before 1940s. My own parents were. They and others I know saw some horrors in regards to childhood illnesses. So even when people were doing stupid things with other diseases some considered "mild" they wanted to know if vaccines were available.

@Politygal
I think , if i have read properly that those cancers are affected only while you have the measles not because you have had measles previously.

This is a, very interesting topic. The severity of a childhood illness depends on the immune status of the mother and has it been passed on to the child, how well the child is nourished (do they get sufficient vitamins etc) and how well the child is looked after. I got measles more than 70 years ago. No worries but simple precautions taken such as no reading, darkened sick room etc.

As so many children live in poverty, the nutrition aspect is likely to be a worry.

Some research indicates that having measles the disease, confers some resistance to Non Hodgekins Lymphoma. Unfortunately, the vaccine does not. Same with mumps and ovarian cancer. Mumps activates a MUC1 immune pathway which helps resist some forms of ovarian cancer. We might ask why the vaccine doesn't prime this immune pathway. Perhaps it should.

My aunt very nearly died of measles in about 1950. No way on earth were they having "parties" trying to encourage people to get it.

For all those insisting there were measles parties - measles has been a notifiable disease in the UK since around 1940. Which shows you just how serious it was. Stop peddling dangerous shit.

This is absolute rubbish.
German measles possibly yes.
Measles is incredibly dangerous and has always been thought so.

The "vaccine injuries" caused by gardisil etc was nonsense at well

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/hpv-vaccine-autonomic-dysfunction-another-large-study-finds-no-links/

the type of research the Curious relies on is usually anecdotal.

Even if this is true (and I see others more knowledgeable than I have said that the research has been debunked), it’s only true because the few unvaccinated children are relying on the herd immunity provided by everyone else who IS vaccinated to protect them from getting the disease in the first place. If everyone follows this advice and doesn’t vaccinate, the herd immunity disappears and the unvaccinated are at much greater risk from illnesses that routinely killed and disabled children in living memory.

curious79 · 29/08/2024 07:23
And if she does get it in all likelihood, she’ll be absolutely fine. It is immunocompromised and already unwell kids who fare badly from measles. When I was growing up our parents would literally take us to peoples houses when they had measles so we could all catch it and be done with it.
Not quite. I think you may be thinking of chicken pox?

No, it really wasn't