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To put nursery off now

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pocketrockett · 29/08/2024 06:20

Watching bbc breakfast and there was a segment about how they expect there to be a big surge of measles when the kids go back to school. Dd1 is due to start nursery in January, I also have another baby at home who hasn't yet had the mmr vaccine due to not being old enough. I'm terrified of her catching it and not having any protection ! Am I being stupid ?? Dd1 doesn't need to go to nursery yet, I was just doing it more for the social and development aspect (also giving me a little break) I was thinking shall I just wait until the next term and by that time dd2 will have some protection ?

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pocketrockett · 29/08/2024 12:34

You know I really wasn't sure about sending dd1 to nursery just yet, I was having doubts as I'm going to miss her so much ! She is such hard work but the thought of her going to nursery every morning everyday of the week is killing me, she just seems so young still...
I also don't want her to feel like I'm sending her off and then keeping dd2 with me. And I know that's just me being ridiculous but I can't help it ! Mum guilt I suppose.

Maybe the Measles thing is a red herring (if I've used that saying right? 🤣)

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SeaToSki · 29/08/2024 12:06

pocketrockett · 29/08/2024 07:04

This is true but at least I can actively keep her away from things like that, nursery is different and dd1 will be going everyday. I know kids spread germs, and that's how our immune systems build up but I'm so worried about measles as it's no joke.
I just wish we could know how much immunity the first dose gives

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I dug out a scientific paper on a group of children in Finland

The primary dose induced 99.4% seroconversion for measles

Basically all the children were immune to measles after the first dose.

The second dose given for measles is to extend the time that the children are covered for into late adulthood

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 29/08/2024 11:59

We had DD1 vaccinated early for her second round of MMR. Possibly for a similar reason but I'm struggling to remember why as she's nearly 14 now but I think she was starting school nursery at 3 [summer born] and there'd been a lot about anti vaxers in the media and sister was only a few months old. I remember that the nurse recommended it and said that there was no issues doing both MMR's relatively close together.

Chickenpox is the other one worth considering.

pinkfleece · 29/08/2024 10:51

Sweetteaplease · 29/08/2024 10:15

There are no social benefits for children under 3 to attend nursery unless they are living in a deprived/poverty situation

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.....in your opinion. Others would disagree

Sweetteaplease · 29/08/2024 10:15

Flubadubba · 29/08/2024 07:38

On a practical side, nursery spaces are in high demand, so you may not have a place for her if you try to delay. The social benefits outweigh the fear here- none of my nieces, nephews or my kid have even encountered measles despite going through both school and nursery (all fully vaccinated).

Get your child vaccinated to schedule, and discuss your dears with your HV.

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There are no social benefits for children under 3 to attend nursery unless they are living in a deprived/poverty situation

pinkfleece · 29/08/2024 08:18

BendingSpoons · 29/08/2024 07:41

I read that 1 dose is about 93% effective, 2 doses is about 97% effective. They used to only offer one dose as it works for most, but added in a second dose to improve protection.

NHS recommends MMR at 12m but sometimes earlier if there is a local outbreak or you have been exposed. If you did hear nursery had an outbreak, you could request it a bit early.

Too late by the time you know about an outbreak, but yes the vast majority get full protection from 1st dose.

BendingSpoons · 29/08/2024 07:41

I read that 1 dose is about 93% effective, 2 doses is about 97% effective. They used to only offer one dose as it works for most, but added in a second dose to improve protection.

NHS recommends MMR at 12m but sometimes earlier if there is a local outbreak or you have been exposed. If you did hear nursery had an outbreak, you could request it a bit early.

pinkfleece · 29/08/2024 07:39

Ionacat · 29/08/2024 07:30

Measles is a notifiable illness so if there are any cases, then the nursery have to contact the local public health team and they will advise on what to do. You’ll know if there are any cases at nursery because they’ll want you to be on high alert for symptoms so usually on advice from public health you’ll get an email or something. You could then make a decision if you wanted to keep her off. Thankfully numbers are low still so the chances of your DD coming into contact with it are low, but there’s a big push to up the vaccination rate whilst the rates are low, hence it’s in the news and adverts on television.

You can’t hide away and you’re much more likely to come across it without knowing out in public than a nursery where they’re generally super cautious with illness. (A quick search for threads on here, will give you many complaining that nursery won’t take their child as they’ve got a mild cold, temperature etc.)

Except measles is infectious long before the rash appears and it can be diagnosed so PH getting involved (which in any case they are often reluctant to do) is far too late

Flubadubba · 29/08/2024 07:38

On a practical side, nursery spaces are in high demand, so you may not have a place for her if you try to delay. The social benefits outweigh the fear here- none of my nieces, nephews or my kid have even encountered measles despite going through both school and nursery (all fully vaccinated).

Get your child vaccinated to schedule, and discuss your dears with your HV.

pinkfleece · 29/08/2024 07:35

pocketrockett · 29/08/2024 07:11

Dd2 will be 10 months when dd1 starts

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Definitely get dd2 a private early mmr now

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 29/08/2024 07:32

Start in Jan as planned. It’ll allow her to catch everything other than measles. Hopefully by the time you actually need nursery, she’ll be attending more consistently.

Superworm24 · 29/08/2024 07:31

The people who won't vaccinate are absolute morons. They are conspiracy nutjobs who think they are making some profound decision but really they are relying on herd immunity. The problem is that there are too many nutjobs now who are getting all their information and news from Facebook, so no herd immunity.

I would be concerned to OP but I don't think you can stop living life. I think all you can do is take all the precautions available to you and get on with it.

Ionacat · 29/08/2024 07:30

Measles is a notifiable illness so if there are any cases, then the nursery have to contact the local public health team and they will advise on what to do. You’ll know if there are any cases at nursery because they’ll want you to be on high alert for symptoms so usually on advice from public health you’ll get an email or something. You could then make a decision if you wanted to keep her off. Thankfully numbers are low still so the chances of your DD coming into contact with it are low, but there’s a big push to up the vaccination rate whilst the rates are low, hence it’s in the news and adverts on television.

You can’t hide away and you’re much more likely to come across it without knowing out in public than a nursery where they’re generally super cautious with illness. (A quick search for threads on here, will give you many complaining that nursery won’t take their child as they’ve got a mild cold, temperature etc.)

Sweetteaplease · 29/08/2024 07:29

ineedtogwtoutbeforeitatoohot · 29/08/2024 06:55

If your worried then wait. Trust your instincts.

This. If you don't have to then why risk it

HelenWheels · 29/08/2024 07:28

i would keep an open mind until january
you could of course put it off until after easter when the weather is a bit better

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pocketrockett · 29/08/2024 07:21

HelenWheels · 29/08/2024 07:11

sorry how old will dd1 be

Dd1 will be 28 months to be precise lol

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Copperoliverbear · 29/08/2024 07:15

Trust your instincts, if you don't need to send them to nursery if you are home anyway, keep them at home until you feel ready.

DrinkElephants · 29/08/2024 07:14

Our baby starts nursery in January she’ll be nearly 12 months. Didn’t even occur to me to keep her off, we also have no choice as I’ll be back at work. But agree with others that you could pick measles up anywhere.

HelenWheels · 29/08/2024 07:11

sorry how old will dd1 be

HelenWheels · 29/08/2024 07:11

10 months?

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pocketrockett · 29/08/2024 07:11

HelenWheels · 29/08/2024 07:10

how old will she be?

Dd2 will be 10 months when dd1 starts

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pinkfleece · 29/08/2024 07:11

Both of mime had an early MMR privately at 9m for nursery. Then you do the nhs one at the normal time.

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pocketrockett · 29/08/2024 07:10

I do really want her to start nursery, it will be good for her development and she is such a live wire I'm hoping it will tire her out 😁 I do have major anxiety though around my kids and this is bothering me ! January is peak winter time too so I know bugs will be rife.
Dd1 had bacterial tonsillitis a few months ago and she was so so poorly with that, taken to hospital twice and the thought of the kids having something worse^^ than that scares me so much !!

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HelenWheels · 29/08/2024 07:10

how old will she be?

TickingAlongNicely · 29/08/2024 07:05

People don't vaccinate because they either don't think their child will be exposed to an illness, or that the vaccine is more dangerous. Despite evidence that diseases like measles, scarlet fever, whooping cough, meningitis etc can and do kill... even chicken pox.

The best thing you can do it make sure your own and children's vaccinations are up to date.

Now, should your child start nursery in Jan... probably yes. Being around other children boosts their immunity in the long run.