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why doesn't anyone tell you about the grief?

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FunnysInLaJardin · 28/08/2024 21:57

That you feel when you child goes to university?

I have been struggling with it for months, but it doesn't seem to be acknowledged.

I understand that some people are happy for their DC to leave home, but there are so many of us that feel deep sadness about it.

I wish I had known all of this in advance, that I was going to feel all of this

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Summerbay23 · 31/08/2024 16:46

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2024 22:26

Wait until degree day and your heart bursts with pride. It makes it all worthwhile.

Absolutely this. I was bereft when I left him but boy, I was the proudest I’d ever been at his graduation.

My DD is about to go and I’m both in pieces and super proud of her in equal measure. I look at my kids and think ‘gees, we really did something right somehow as they are amazing’

But yes, it’s hard, but it’s right that they spread their wings.

usernother · 31/08/2024 16:46

@Cesarina Once again someone, ie you, is dictating who is allowed to feel grief and who isn’t. My daughter did emigrate overseas and far away. I felt grief. Thank you for allowing me to, but I don’t need your permission.
If people feel grief when their children go off to university, how dare anyone say they’re not allowed to?
You can feel grief and want them to live their own lives and be independent. The two are not mutually exclusive.
And saying you are not allowed to feel grief because another parent’s child is disabled and will not be able to go to university and/or be independent is patronising and
a complete red herring.
The arrogance of some posts on this thread is quite staggering.

She's not saying you don't feel sad, she's saying that's different to grief. And she's right.

CloudywMeatballs · 31/08/2024 16:40

Mrsdyna · 30/08/2024 17:08

Well I'm not taking about those scenarios, I'm talking about my own personal one. I have kids who live nearby and who I see regularly but it doesn't stop me missing the ones who have gone away.

I am sorry about your situation and I can understand why you see it that way.

I think we are actually in agreement. You are incredibly lucky that this is the most sadness you've ever experienced. I just hope you are empathetic with people who wish they could experience that sadness.

Cesarina · 31/08/2024 14:57

WanOban · 31/08/2024 08:20

Grief is sadness following a loss. A child growing up and going to university is not a loss. It’s an inevitable part of growing up and living an independent life. This is a good thing.

Some parents have disabled children who will never be able to live independently. So what exactly are these parents of independent successful adults grieving? Would they rather their child can’t live independently and leave home?

It is ok to feel sad, but equating it to real grief is insulting to parents who are grieving a dead child, a child who will never live independently.

A child emigrating permanently to somewhere far away like New Zealand and a child going no contact is also a loss where grief would be appropriate word to use.

Once again someone, ie you, is dictating who is allowed to feel grief and who isn’t. My daughter did emigrate overseas and far away. I felt grief. Thank you for allowing me to, but I don’t need your permission.
If people feel grief when their children go off to university, how dare anyone say they’re not allowed to?
You can feel grief and want them to live their own lives and be independent. The two are not mutually exclusive.
And saying you are not allowed to feel grief because another parent’s child is disabled and will not be able to go to university and/or be independent is patronising and
a complete red herring.
The arrogance of some posts on this thread is quite staggering.

JMSA · 31/08/2024 12:57

My attitude is 'one down, two to go' Grin

5475878237NC · 31/08/2024 12:53

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks about the word grief. It's literally the definition of the word - feeling a sense of loss. That isn't meant to offend it's just how it is.

Why is this upsetting? It isn't bout competition for sympathy but what is it about? People understanding just how much worse bereavement (a death) is? I'm sure no one is suggesting it's even remotely the same thing to physically lose a child.

NellyBarney · 31/08/2024 10:49

I think many people experience physical grief just as when someone has died when their children leave home - in the same way as some people feel it after divorce, even if they filed for it, or sometimes even if they leave a job or a home. It's physical: shaking, nausea, difficulties breathing, body aches - even though you know in your mind that it's for the best and you are happy for them. In the same way as people have different physical reactions to germs or pain stimuli, people have different physical reactions to loss. I feel great sympathy towards those who have a strong reaction, as it's massively painful and gut wrenching, even though it's completely natural.

RootToVictory · 31/08/2024 10:09

Can people please stop saying things like “it’s not a competition”?

We can all have our own opinions on whether “grief” is an appropriate word here but the people who think it isn’t aren’t arguing that because they think it’s a competition and want to win it. Nobody would want to win that competition, ffs.

Enko · 31/08/2024 10:03

CalmMintReader · 30/08/2024 23:39

That’s not what she was saying though, I think it’s more in reference to the ‘grief’. Just because some aren’t bereft and devastated when their kids go to uni, it doesn’t mean they don’t want to spend time with them or they aren’t their favourite people. I think the majority of mums feel like that about their kids, I certainly do but I don’t want to descend into a depressed state when they are healthy, happy, doing what they want to do and are ready for it.

What sunseaandsoundingoff (who I was responding to)said was'
" I think it's the difference between parents who make their kids their whole life and haven't really have any interests outside of them for 18 years,"

I disagree with that strongly. As I have not made my children my whole life. I still felt grief when they left for uni. I did not "descend into a depressed state" when they left but yes I felt grief and I miss them hugely and still do. I shed a tear when ds recently returned back to uni. But I dont sit in a permanently depressed state mourning the loss of my children.

I have to say I find it rather Insulting to have it suggested that because you grieve this part of your life is over it means you have no other interests or that what you are inferring "I am descending into depression" neither of those are true for many parents (as dh felt it too and regularly express how he misses the children).

We are all different so stating that "you make your children your life and have no other interests" or you "descent into depression" is unhelpful. All it tells us is you and sunseaandsoundingoff didn't feel that way and frankly empty nest is so well known that we know a lot of parents DO feel this way.
So why not talk about it and stop denying it. Putting parents down who DOES feel it. Why not be supportive?

lissom · 31/08/2024 09:47

@Textual , this is exactly my view. Many cultures don't have this thing where it is expected to have a complete break with kids so that they are expected to forge a completely unconnected life with the parents, if possible far away! Most areas of the world there is more interconnection - of course coming at a price of people having to put up with relatives more - but I have the plan to move near at least one of my kids when I'm retired and they have families, to be physically around. I grew up like that with the whole extended family within a 2 km radius and there is just more support there. Honestly I think that there will be a trend towards this, because a lot of the 'flying the nest' I think was based on the past when there was more open authority based conflict with the parents, if you think how eg most fathers acted with their sons 20-30 years ago, there would be a lot of conflict and 'you do as I say', nowadays everyone wants to be their kid's friend, and I think there are positives to that, in that it makes for a relationship where they WANT to be near you.

Cesarina · 31/08/2024 09:31

Freysimo · 31/08/2024 07:47

Grief is literally intense sorrow, especially caused by someone's death, not feeling a bit sad because your child is going to uni.

…….well done! You have just demonstrated exactly what I meant by people belittling and denying peoples’ feelings of grief when their child moves away.
I said I felt grief and you don’t get to decide what I’m allowed or not allowed to feel.
I did make it clear that my grief is nothing compared to the death of a child.
It’s like inferring there is a “hierarchy” of grief, and mine is down at the bottom, or doesn’t even feature.
Please don’t turn this into a competition.

Textual · 31/08/2024 09:05

CalmMintReader · 30/08/2024 22:01

These comments don’t help anyone! The t just encourages others to feel the same and wallow. Our kids live with us far longer than nature intended and they are home for a large part of the year!

What do you mean by ‘nature intended’? Many cultures have multigenerational living. My own family is from Asia and many adults stay at home until they’re married. Indeed, some adults stay with their parents and bring the spouse home and they continue living there until the elderly parents die.

That may not be the norm here. But are you saying that many cultures are living a unnatural life?

taxguru · 31/08/2024 09:02

Textual · 31/08/2024 08:49

One of my kids was struggling in the second week of university. Bizarrely, that snapped me out of my sadness and I went into parental support and encouragement role. I could then focus on giving them advice and support and getting updates.

It was a bit strange that that dragged me out of my feeling of flatness. They of course thrived soon after. But those early weeks can be tricky and many of these parents here who are missing their kids, will probably have a play in supporting them emotionally through the first term. They often still need us, even from far away!

Yes good point. Our son’s first weeks were marred by covid as it was 2020. His uni had everything indoors cancelled and locked. No clubs and societies except online. It was miserable and depressing for him to be stuck in his flat all day watching online lectures. Only going out for a walk round campus which was bleak as there was no buzz, just lots of sad lonely students wondering around, library shut, shops shut, even the chaplaincy shut! Then one of his flat mates got covid and they were isolated and banned from leaving the flat for two weeks. Me and OH went straight into “support” mode as he was very down and we saw he was struggling. Last thing he needed was us being emotional so we went full on to get him thinking practically, giving him suggestions of things to do, get his mind off the misery, counting down the days to the end of his quarantine, etc., and more importantly getting him to laugh at his predicament. Helping him get through it gave us a purpose and kind of filled the void.

Textual · 31/08/2024 08:59

People need to stop saying grief is just about bereavement. I work in mental health and it’s not just about death.

It can be about a change in role too and many other things. I would understand if someone had fertility issues for example and when they realised they won’t ever have kids, they might say they feel grief. I believe them.

This below is from the Cleveland clinic. I didn’t feel ‘grief’ when my kids left, but a shortish period of empty sadness instead. But I defend the right for people to state they have experienced it as grief.

‘Grief is the experience of coping with loss. Most of us think of grief as happening in the painful period following the death of a loved one. But grief can accompany any event that disrupts or challenges our sense of normalcy or ourselves. This includes the loss of connections that define us.
You may grieve the loss of:

  • A friend, family member, partner or pet.
  • A marriage, friendship or another form of kinship.
  • Your home, neighborhood or community.
  • Your job or career.
  • Financial stability.
  • A dream or goal.
  • Good health.
  • Your youth.
  • Fertility.‘

Death: What Happens When You Die

Death marks the moment when your vital organs stop working. Understanding what happens when you die can help you face the experience when the time comes.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/23144-what-happens-when-you-die

taxguru · 31/08/2024 08:51

usernother · 28/08/2024 22:18

People don't tell you because not everyone feels it. I missed both of mine but I was also happy and excited for them. I think you bring them up to set them free and I was glad they had the confidence to be living alone in a strange city and that they were clever enough to be able to go to Uni. They had opportunities I never had.

Yep, same here. It was a massive wrench, but we wanted the best for him and uni had been the plan for many years which we’d all been working toward and planning for. We kept in daily contact with FaceTime, even just quickies. That made a massive difference to me to be able to see and hear him even if only a minute or two to give me peace of mind that he was ok. Yes it was emotional but a we are practical people so always try to make the head rule rather than heart.

It was actually harder once he left uni. We had him back home for the summer, but then had to move him to another city for his first proper job, his own flat, etc. That was really hard as it’s more permanent leaving home for good. At least with uni, it’s only temporary and they’re back for holidays 3 times a year and then back at the end of it. When we left our son in his new life working and living in a new city, there’s a completely different sense of permanence about it. He’s got a completely new life now whereas use felt uni was only temporary so easier to cope with.

Textual · 31/08/2024 08:49

One of my kids was struggling in the second week of university. Bizarrely, that snapped me out of my sadness and I went into parental support and encouragement role. I could then focus on giving them advice and support and getting updates.

It was a bit strange that that dragged me out of my feeling of flatness. They of course thrived soon after. But those early weeks can be tricky and many of these parents here who are missing their kids, will probably have a play in supporting them emotionally through the first term. They often still need us, even from far away!

Pliudev · 31/08/2024 08:42

I voted that you are being unreasonable because I don't know how you missed the discussions about this that crop up every year both on here and in newspapers.
It does seem a rather brutal first letting go but you may as well get used to it. Uni breaks you in gently, after all, they'll be back for holidays, maybe even 'reading week' if they still exist. After graduation, they may even move back until they find a job. When that happens they will be gone in my experience.

Having said that, the first term is the longest so plan a weekend visit and prepare to be supportive. Uni isn't all great. We spent our weekend visit listening to tearful complaints that DS swiftly put to one side once we'd gone home.

ssd · 31/08/2024 08:30

Seen this years ago on mn

"My local paper has printed this every year since 2006 at this time of year (back to uni time). It sums it up for me.

"I wasn't wrong about their leaving. My husband kept telling me I was. That it wasn't the end of the world when first one child, then another , and then the last packed their bags and left for college.

But it was the end of something. Can you pick me up, Mum?" What's for dinner?" ``What do you think?"

I was the sun and they were the planets. And there was life on those planets, whirling, non stop plans and parties and friends coming and going, and ideas and dreams and the phone ringing and doors slamming.

And I got to beam down on them. To watch. To glow.

And then they were gone, one after the other.

``They'll be back," my husband said. And he was right. They came back. But he was wrong, too, because they came back for intervals -- not for always, not planets anymore, making their predictable orbits, but unpredictable, like shooting stars.

Always is what you miss. Always knowing where they are. At school. At play practice. At a ballgame. At a friend's. Always looking at the clock mid day and anticipating the door opening, the sigh, the smile, the laugh, the shrug. How was school?" answered for years in too much detail. And then he said . . . and then I said to him. . . ." Then hardly answered at all.

Always, knowing his friends.

Her favourite show.

What he had for breakfast.

What she wore to school.

What he thinks.

How she feels.

My friend Beth's twin girls left for university yesterday. They are her fourth and fifth children. She's been down this road three times before. You'd think it would get easier.

``I don't know what I'm going to do without them," she has said every day for months.

And I have said nothing, because, really, what is there to say?

A chapter ends. Another chapter begins. One door closes and another door opens. The best thing a parent can give their child is wings. I read all these things when my children left home and thought then what I think now: What do these words mean?

Eighteen years isn't a chapter in anyone's life. It's a whole book, and that book is ending and what comes next is connected to, but different from, everything that has gone before.

Before was an infant, a toddler, a child, a teenager. Before was feeding and changing and teaching and comforting and guiding and disciplining, everything hands -on. Now?

Now the kids are young adults and on their own and the parents are on the periphery, and it's not just a chapter change. It's a sea change.

As for a door closing? Would that you could close a door and forget for even a minute your children and your love for them and your fear for them, too. And would that they occupied just a single room in your head. But they're in every room in your head and in your heart.

As for the wings analogy? It's sweet. But children are not birds. Parents don't let them go and build another nest and have all new offspring next year.

Saying goodbye to your children and their childhood is much harder than all the pithy sayings make it seem. Because that's what going to university is. It's goodbye.

It's not a death. And it's not a tragedy.

But it's not nothing, either.

To grow a child, a body changes. It needs more sleep. It rejects food it used to like. It expands and it adapts.

To let go of a child, a body changes, too. It sighs and it cries and it feels weightless and heavy at the same time.

The drive home alone without them is the worst. And the first few days. But then it gets better. The kids call, come home, bring their friends, fill the house with their energy again.

Life does go on.

Can you give me a ride to the mall?" Mum, make him stop!" I don't miss this part of parenting, playing chauffeur and referee. But I miss them, still, all these years later, the children they were, at the dinner table, beside me on the couch, talking on the phone, sleeping in their rooms, safe, home, mine."

ssd · 31/08/2024 08:25

Tinkeebell · 31/08/2024 00:53

So many posters on here criticising the op for using the word grief.
While it's not the same grief we experience with death and bereavement it's still a sadness that they're feeling, and in no way did the op belittle anyone else's grief she simply stated that it was harder than expected to have her child go away from home.
She didn't write it to make anyone feel bad so why don't others offer her the same courtesy.

👏👏👏

WanOban · 31/08/2024 08:20

GrannyRose15 · 30/08/2024 21:12

No it isn’t. Grief comes in many forms. All are valid in their own way.

Grief is sadness following a loss. A child growing up and going to university is not a loss. It’s an inevitable part of growing up and living an independent life. This is a good thing.

Some parents have disabled children who will never be able to live independently. So what exactly are these parents of independent successful adults grieving? Would they rather their child can’t live independently and leave home?

It is ok to feel sad, but equating it to real grief is insulting to parents who are grieving a dead child, a child who will never live independently.

A child emigrating permanently to somewhere far away like New Zealand and a child going no contact is also a loss where grief would be appropriate word to use.

EllaPaella · 31/08/2024 08:01

My eldest hasn't come back after uni.. he stayed in the city he studied in and now has a really solid career so is not going to be moving home. I actually feel sadder about it now than when I took him off to uni 4 years ago, bursting with pride and so excited for him about everything he had ahead of him.
Obviously I am so proud and happy that he has made such a success of his life, but he really is one of my favourite people and I wish he was just a bit nearer.

joolsella · 31/08/2024 07:54

I feel for you .

My child is 6 and im dreading the day she leaves me

Umbrella15 · 31/08/2024 07:50

I know how you feel. My youngest daughter is leaving for uni in 2 weeks. I am extremly close to my daughter. I am dreading it. I know she will be ok. I cried when my son left for uni. I am closer to my daughter, so am dreading it.

Freysimo · 31/08/2024 07:47

Cesarina · 30/08/2024 19:03

I felt grief like never before, (not even when my parents died), when my daughter went to study, then work, overseas. I still miss her all the time. And yes, I did and do have a life other than being a mother, and it’s extremely insulting and ignorant for people to assume that just because I miss her, I don’t. You can actually do both, believe it or not.
I cannot in a million years imagine the grief that is experienced if a child of yours dies. I mean that sincerely - and I have enormous respect and admiration for parents whom that has happened to, but who carry on because they have to.
But to say to parents who miss their kids who have moved away that they’re not entitled to feel grief because real grief is reserved for parents whose children have died is cruel and insensitive.
Of course I accept that my grief is nowhere near what it would be if my daughter died. But grief comes in different forms, and as far as I know does not have to be a competition.

Grief is literally intense sorrow, especially caused by someone's death, not feeling a bit sad because your child is going to uni.

FootieMama · 31/08/2024 07:43

Yes I am really struggling. I didn't expect that at least not to be so upset about it. We don't spend a lot of time together because I work full time and he has his life.
I think is the end of an era thing. The realisation that he is starting a new stage in his life. That the bulk of the mum job has passed as he is an "adult" now.

I think his youger brother is also strugling and he will be likely be leaving too next year

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