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Am I expecting too much? Is my marriage over?

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Helpinghand1234 · 28/08/2024 20:18

Bit of a long one so apologies but I’d appreciate some outside perspective.

I (40f) have been married to DH (40m) for just over a year (together 4) we have a ds (7 months)

When we met I owned my own home which is a 2-3 minute drive from where he still lived with his parents, and he, his parents, sister, her husband and 4 DC all lived in the same property compound where they all run their family business from. It’s not a particularly profitable business, it’s more an industry you go into for the love of it and it’s a way of life- all of their profits go into paying their bills and basically staying afloat.

When DH moved in, I knew the precarious state of his finances and commitment to the business and as it was my home initially I was understanding of the fact he couldn’t contribute to the bills (I have no mortgage so it’s just utilities)He does pay for the heating oil which is a big expense each year but I cover all of our living expenses and have bought everything for my ds.

When I found out I was pregnant it was a HUGE shock, and I did panic a bit as to how I would manage as I’d never been particularly maternal. (just fyi I love my son now more than life itself) DH told me not to worry, I’d have his support, he’d be home each day lunchtime to help out etc etc.

When DS was born, none of this support (in my opinion) materialised. The day after (an extremely traumatic) birth he didn’t show up to the hospital until 3pm. I was heartbroken, in pain from C-section and really needed him. He had woken up after a lie in (I Had been in labour 30 hrs so he hadn’t slept the previous night) and then had spent the morning at his parents house phoning round family/friends etc before having lunch together and then coming to the hospital. I’m still deeply hurt by this. I hoped he would be desperate to see us- to see and cuddle ds and to check up on and help me etc but we didn’t hear anything or see him until 3pm.

His family have always been civil but not particularly warm towards me. Since DS was born I’m treated (in my opinion) like a surrogate. If we’re at their house they will snatch him away before I’ve even had a chance to take my shoes off, pass him round like a parcel and refuse to give him back if he fusses. The first time mil visited us she held DS for 4 hours- I was trying to establish breast
feeding and was dying inside but because of the trauma of birth I couldn’t really advocate for myself (I’m much more vocal now) When I expressed to DH how upsetting it was to watch mil with DS for 4 hours when he was only 48 hours old he was annnoyed that I was critical of his mother. (This is the same response whenever I try to explain an issue I have with his family- people in the community joke that they’re like a gang you can never join.)

DH works 7 days a week, mostly 10-12 hour days, and when he does come home, one of his parents will phone to ask if he’s had dinner, or with some minor little detail about the business. I have gotten to the point where I am extremely frustrated by their constant influence over our lives. If I try and arrange a day out just the 3 of us there will either be a call from mil or fil about some (so called) emergency that means we have to come back early, or some comments about slacking off and not pulling his weight (to DH from fil) DH is affected by this and hates to disappoint them.

The summer is almost over and we have had no quality time as a family or as a couple. I have repeatedly told him this is a deal breaker for me and I need to feel like he prioritises us but nothing has changed. I have taken DS to lots of fun places, on my own. I have eaten lunch every day with just
me and DS, knowing full well that DH and his family are all eating lunch together a few minutes up the road. He chooses to be with them rather than us. I know I could go up there but I would receive a lukewarm welcome at best, and just have to watch mil ignore my boundaries with DS. For 3 days in a row DH has said he will come with me to collect a heavy piece of furniture, but always has to stay back at the business. Things came to a head today and I’ve hired a van on my own to collect as I’m sick of relying on him to be repeatedly let down because his parents decide there is something more important to do.

I could begin to understand his need to prioritise business if he was providing for DS and I, but the truth is all of his hard work goes to supporting his parents- they would not be able to continue without DH but it’s a tough pill to swallow to know you’re being overlooked for people who have no respect for you. DH thinks I have never liked his parents, but I genuinely tried in the beginning- I would always bring something with me when visiting, would ring mil before going to the supermarket etc but it’s all one way. After my C-section not a single one of the phoned to ask how I was or if I needed any shopping etc as I couldn’t drive.

I have repeatedly expressed my viewpoint, my needs and my expectations to DH, but his response is always along the lines of “the truth is you never liked mil and fil” “I’ve never been good enough for you” “what do you expect me to do, cut off all contact with them” or the one that really gets me “I’m sorry I still speak to my parents, unlike you” (for background I’m low contact with dm, no contact with df due to physical abuse in childhood- we were removed for a short time by social services but placed back with dp eventually, but my relationship with dp has been strained since then, and it hurts that DH throws this in my face)

At this point is my marriage salvageable? Am I asking too much from DH? AIBU? I know how much pressure he’s under from fil and mil so am I being awful for adding to that by telling him he’s not doing and being enough? He says “I love you” all the time, and is very physically affectionate but I keep telling him I need action not words. All I want is to know and feel that DS and I are his first priority, but it’s something I’ve never felt. Today has been awful, I’ve told him I cannot do this anymore, p his response is that he does prioritise us and I’m asking too much. Is he right? Should I accept he does what he can give the circumstances and this should be enough? Or is it time to call it quits?

Thank you x

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HoppityBun · 29/08/2024 06:27

Newagestage · 29/08/2024 06:17

It sounds like you would be much happier if you left him.
None of what you are saying is normal and hes trying to make you feel like it is, id leave now.

From what the OP has written, he wouldn’t notice much difference when he’s told that the marriage is over. It never really started.

Newagestage · 29/08/2024 06:17

It sounds like you would be much happier if you left him.
None of what you are saying is normal and hes trying to make you feel like it is, id leave now.

Illstartexercisingtomorrow · 29/08/2024 06:16

Helpinghand1234 · 28/08/2024 21:48

Thank you for this. I’ve never been particularly good at anything but I have been doing everything alone for ds, and it’s the first time I’ve ever felt like I knew what I was meant to do, and I think (and hope) I’m doing an ok job of raising him. I’m confident I could do it alone, to be honest it would be easier in some ways.

l’m extremely lucky work wise- I have 12 months maternity, and when I go back the plan was instead of working 9am-5pm I’m going to be working 8pm -12.30am which is going to be a bit of a paycut, but it means I can be home with ds in the day, and he would be in bed by the time DH got home. I don’t know what will happen now.

I’m really surprised you say you’ve ‘never been particularly good at anything.’

At 40 you own your own home mortgage free. That’s a massive achievement.

You’ve been raising your son by yourself. Clearly you have inner strength and resilience.

Until you expressed doubts about yourself I was thinking you’re a driven, intelligent, confident woman who has done all the right things to get to this point. And actually, I do still think that. Maybe in the middle of all of this you should take a moment to admire how much you’ve actually accomplished. Even more so when you consider the poor foundation which your parents gave you.

Don’t entertain thoughts about staying with him. It would be different if the family were kind and loving and wanting to welcome you in. But they are not. And they want ds to be part of their family but not you. Leave, be happy and don’t doubt your abilities. Oh and move away!!

Protect your assets in future relationships and don’t introduce anyone new into your life too soon, and especially not into your son’s life.

Gremlins101 · 29/08/2024 05:43

Sorry, I just saw that it's farming. I know how this can be. But that's still a deeply unsuccessful business model.

I promise your son will choose you, once you do your best for him and put up a firm front against your in laws tricks. Don't give them an inch with him.

Gremlins101 · 29/08/2024 05:34

I'm so sorry OP, it doesn't sound like your marriage is remotely tenable.

In my opinion, you need to reclaim your house and child, for yourself.

Who the hell works 10 to 12 hour days, for 7 days a week, and can't pay his share of the bills?? Unless they are doing something unbelievably altruistic, that's just frankly embarrassing for him.

His family sound awful, I'm sorry.

llamalines · 29/08/2024 05:33

Helpinghand1234 · 28/08/2024 21:48

Thank you for this. I’ve never been particularly good at anything but I have been doing everything alone for ds, and it’s the first time I’ve ever felt like I knew what I was meant to do, and I think (and hope) I’m doing an ok job of raising him. I’m confident I could do it alone, to be honest it would be easier in some ways.

l’m extremely lucky work wise- I have 12 months maternity, and when I go back the plan was instead of working 9am-5pm I’m going to be working 8pm -12.30am which is going to be a bit of a paycut, but it means I can be home with ds in the day, and he would be in bed by the time DH got home. I don’t know what will happen now.

In your shoes, I would look at a child minder or nursery for the mornings, and taking in a lodger, or even two if you have the space, to pay for it. (I used to have lodgers when DS was little - always female and mostly mature students. It worked well).

Do some maths and see if it can work.

GingerPirate · 29/08/2024 05:32

What on Earth made you choose this man?
Put yourself and your kid first.
What kind of life is that, at 40???
Bloody hell!

Bigcat25 · 29/08/2024 05:32

I think the poster who said to be careful about the claim on your house is correct. (Sorry not trying to stress you!) I worry he could transfer his land to a family member if he got really cynical, or it might not be worth very much?) I'm not in the UK so don't know how hard it would be to transfer the deed.

Wishing you the best, you sound very capable and a great mum.

Bigcat25 · 29/08/2024 05:15

I'm sorry op. He's working round the clock but can only afford oil. Imagine how much he makes per hr? His relationship with his parents isn't healthy. He should be able to say, "no I promised I'd do x for op?" Or, "op needs a break and I need to bond with my son, I'm going home for lunch." At the very least, he needs counselling, but the business needs to close or else the parents need to pay him properly. He can't continue to work for peanuts.

Cheeseeasyplease · 29/08/2024 05:00

leopardski · 28/08/2024 21:58

I knew this would be farming, it sounds so like my SILs husband it’s untrue - he still has his evening meal with his family every night while SIL sits at home alone. She’s always been treated as an outsider and it’s never gotten better, he just rocks up at about 9/10pm to go to bed. We visited and stayed at their house once and I was just shocked at the dynamic and how little they saw each other!

This thread is a shock to me, I had no idea about this little sub-culture of farmers!

MumsGoneToIceland · 29/08/2024 04:52

OP how were things so different when you were dating? If he’d have worked 12 hrs a day, 7 days a week then, you’d have never built a relationship or you’d have known what to expect after marriage and not entertained it. What changed?

AppleTree16 · 29/08/2024 04:34

Why are you still with him?

Valeriekat · 29/08/2024 04:11

Peasnbeans · 28/08/2024 23:11

I'm probably being unreasonable here.

You met your other half when you were both 36 and he lived and worked at home, where his sister and her husband also lived at home with their 4 DC. Basically, no one had yet left.
Then, you for pregnant and hurriedly got married.
Then you had the baby but SUDDENLY expected all family members (including DH and MIL) to behave differently to how they had behaved for the (at least) six decades.
I think you abu.

If your adult (almost 40 yo) new partner is living at home and working for parents, it's probably not going to change that quickly.

My parents are farmers. I get it. I left.
You chose to ignore the flags.
His job is keeping you afloat - and you picked it.

HIS job is not keeping her afloat which is the whole point of the post. Did you bother reading it?

Fraaahnces · 29/08/2024 02:22

I honestly think you need to tell him that he is unable to be a family man and he needs to go home to the farm. You don’t want you child raised by someone who is unable to put you and his child first, so you are going to make the decision for him. You know he will be happier not having to divide his loyalties and one day you will have the emotional space to have room in your life for a man who will take you and your child fully into his heart and life.

RawBloomers · 29/08/2024 02:04

He hasn’t stepped up. At all. Even if he were right about you hating his parents it doesn’t make any difference because it’s still an untenable situation for you.

I would make enquiries about divorces ASAP. You currently have a short marriage, but you’re closing on the deadline of 5 years. (Your marriage is only a year but your’ve been together for 4 and in England and Wales, the length of your relationship before you married is factored in to the calculation of a short marriage when courts consider divorce settlements).

When looking at a short marriage the courts generally take the starting position of trying to make sure people leave the marriage with what they brought in. If you wait until you’re at the 5 year mark, the courts go with 50/50 as the starting point. Which would put your house at risk and your pension.

suburberphobe · 29/08/2024 01:05

I would be moving into a city if I were you.

Me too.

The one post about your MIL buying a high-chair, she obviously automatically thinks your child will be "taken into the fold". Chilling.

That your husband is just ignoring you as his wife - and his child - and continuing the status quo within his birth family while ignoring you and your son is horrendous.

Reminds me of travelling in India many many moons ago meeting a lovely Irish guy who had basically run away as he was the oldest son who had the expectation of taking over the farm which he had no interest in.

Yes, farming is important as our food source, doesn't mean you have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the lifestyle if it's not your thing.

3luckystars · 29/08/2024 00:52

muggart · 28/08/2024 21:43

This is crazy, he works 10-12 hrs a day 7 days a week but doesn't earn enough to contribute to bills. What a dud.

I agree. So sorry he turned out to be really bad at being a father and husband, you just don’t know beforehand. Wishing you all the very best x

80smonster · 29/08/2024 00:47

I’d take it up with his parents yourself. Ask them if it’s reasonable that your husband doesn’t financially support his wife and child? Surely you need to find the ringleader of this situation, which doesn’t seem to be your DH.

Mmhmmn · 29/08/2024 00:42

He’s used your unfortunate past against you when you’ve challenged his prioritising his childhood family over his new family, and has deprioritised you at every turn because he’s a child under the thumbs of his family. Sounds like you’d be better off without him. What does he bring in the way of joy or usefulness to your life?

StormingNorman · 29/08/2024 00:39

muggart · 28/08/2024 22:29

@StormingNorman how on earth do they live?! This guy is fortunate he married a woman who is mortgage free and able to support him but what do other farmers do? I can't comprehend this business model.

Diversified incomes, farm subsidies which are being phased out since Brexit, off-farm income from the farmer’s wife, farmer taking on contract roles in addition to running the farm.

The average farm has a return on investment of just 0.5% and an average income of circa £36,000 from food.

This is why glamping sites, lambing weekends, solar panels and private dog walking fields are springing up all over the countryside. Those income stream prop up food.

Plus, the car/van can usually go down as business expenses and there’s unlikely to be rent or mortgage on a home on the farm.

Although for the seriously hard up, there’s always land to mortgage.

AroundTheGarden · 29/08/2024 00:35

OP, you sound like a great mum. I like that you have the priority right (baby) and keeping the core family together. It doesn’t sound like your husband is on the same path. How you described your husband’s close-knit family and personality reminded me of the husband in a movie from 1997, ‘ The Perfect Mother’ starring Tyne Daly as the MIL.

It may be a case of having to sell up, or rent out your property and move somewhere else.

This is so complicated, I wish you the best.

Sousuke · 29/08/2024 00:24

I'm sort of curious how much the farm makes and what his role is compared to his sister and his brother in law.

If he is to inherit it all down the road in 10 years and run it and the reality is they are giving him no share of the revenue at the moment I guess things might change for the better.

It is odd to me though. My mum grew up on a farm and her younger brother was chosen to run the farm from an early age. When my uncle was married and they had their first child, my grandparents built a new house at the corner of their estate and gave the larger original family house to my uncle and aunt.

Probablyfinebutworried · 29/08/2024 00:01

I'd walk away now, while your son is still tiny and won't remember what it's like for you to be together with your husband.

Comtesse · 28/08/2024 23:42

StormingNorman · 28/08/2024 22:22

Most farmers earn very little from food production. It’s a systemic issue driven by consumer demand for cheap food and incessant price competition between the supermarkets. It doesn’t mean the farmer or the business is a dud.

He might be a great farmer but he’s a pretty duff father / husband. Lots of manipulative words, long hours, no money, an enmeshed family, and no practical support either - what exactly does he bring to the table??

Peasnbeans · 28/08/2024 23:38

I honestly couldn’t tell you how much land they own, how many cattle, sheep etc. I do know he has some land in his name only

If you lived in either a xlots of million pounds Surrey mansion or a tent on the beach, usually Mumsnet people would be saying this is not okay!
You are married - that's not a romantic notion, it's a legal and financial tie. I can't believe you are 40, married a year, have a FT job, and a child, and still have no idea what you are signed up to.
For all you know they owe against the farm, and now you. You need a basic list of what he owned when he came to the marriage, savings, pension (if) and property.
Then you need to think about siblings, dependence, passing on of the farm and inheritance tax. This is a big deal - although agricultural properties are different, it depends who lives in them ( the brother who also works for the farm?) Who owns the farm - is it a ltd company? Have you ever put your DH name into HMRC Companies House website?
I think you need to open your eyes and start seeing what you are responsible for, in the eyes of the law and to protect your child.
I'm not trying to scare you, but you need to KNOW this shit.
Phone NFU tomorrow and ask how you join as an independent, then ask how you can seek advice, when you know where you stand.
They often work with family farm splits.