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Sugarcoldturkey · 28/08/2024 08:51

Women in Afghanistan are now forbidden from speaking when not inside their homes. A simple "hello" to someone in a shop is now against the law. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/aug/26/taliban-bar-on-afghan-women-speaking-in-public-un-afghanistan

AIBU to think this is some of the most horrific news I've heard in months? I can't wrap my head around it and I can't help thinking - activists/newspapers/politicians are loud when campaigning about the gender pay gap or the state of child care or a woman's rights to her own body but somehow on this topic no one wants to criticise too often or too loudly.

Is it because religion is mixed in? Or guilt over the war? Or do politicians in particular only care about women's rights when it's a vote-winner in their constituency? Or is it just that it's so terrible and we all feel so powerless to prevent it that we just prefer to ignore the situation?

I'm feeling v v shaken.

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Takoneko · 28/08/2024 16:51

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Do you have any sources or figures for this?

Muslims currently account for around 9% of babies born and are a little over 6% of the population.. Yes, they have higher birth rates than other British people but nowhere near enough to drive that kind of shift. I don’t think you really understand the numbers.

For them to be the majority of voting age people in 25 years is mathematically just not possible. The U.K. birth rate is about 700,000 per year. Even if every single baby born in the next 7 years was born to Muslim families (which would be an absurd leap from 9% to 100%) that still wouldn’t be enough to make Muslims the majority of voting age people in 25 years.

This is not fact and anyone with a basic grasp of rudimentary maths can work out that what you are saying does not add up.

Jjiillkkf · 28/08/2024 16:51

My favourite is when the leftists get upset when a Muslim majority council cancels the Pride parade

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 28/08/2024 16:49

DogInATent · 28/08/2024 16:38

Provide a reliable source for your indisputable fact or STF up with your racist right-wing propaganda.

It suggests that in the UK, if current trends continue, the proportion of the population identifying themselves as Christians will fall from 64% in 2010 to 45% by 2050, while the proportion of Muslims will rise from 5% to 11%.

Source: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32722155

Exactly. There’s no evidence that Britain or any European country is going to become majority Muslim any time soon.

And that’s not even taking account of the fact that those coming to the UK are often those fleeing extremism so not in favour of bringing it with them.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 28/08/2024 16:45

wonderstuff · 28/08/2024 09:14

It’s only women isn’t it, not like in other countries where actual people are being oppressed.

I can’t forgive the Biden administration for leaving the region and effectively arming the Taliban to the teeth. Shameful. Makes my heart hurt when I think of it.

This is what I think - people seem to think it doesn’t “count” somehow if it’s women being oppressed. That it can somehow be allowed as part of someone’s religion.

Whereas if it were divided along the lines of ethnic group there would be outcry.

It was Trump who originally agreed the withdrawal, but Biden went through with it. It was shameful of western leaders to do that, but also of Afghan men to just lie down and let the taliban back in to oppress the women.

mitogoshi · 28/08/2024 16:42

It's been reported but what can we actually do? We know the taliban are anti women, extremists and the last time we intervened it didn't end well.

angeldelite · 28/08/2024 16:41

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This is straight out of an EDL handbook.

And white colonial rule was a nightmare for Muslims.

Just like the slave trade and all the Muslims stolen from Africa by Brits.

Comedycook · 28/08/2024 16:40

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I'm not passing comment on it...I'm just saying that in terms of migration and birth rates, I think it's really quite probable.

Comedycook · 28/08/2024 16:39

Tryonemoretime · 28/08/2024 16:36

This.
Try being a Christian in Iran and you'll see the inside of Evin prison before you can blink. .....In fact, I'm trying to think of a Muslim led state where you can go to a church (if you can find one) or buy a bible from a Christian book shop.

I do agree and it's quite strange how very few people seem to care about this. Can you imagine if Israel banned people from practising islam...there would be riots on the streets of the UK.

Followyouinto · 28/08/2024 16:39

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DogInATent · 28/08/2024 16:38

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Provide a reliable source for your indisputable fact or STF up with your racist right-wing propaganda.

It suggests that in the UK, if current trends continue, the proportion of the population identifying themselves as Christians will fall from 64% in 2010 to 45% by 2050, while the proportion of Muslims will rise from 5% to 11%.

Source: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32722155

Tryonemoretime · 28/08/2024 16:36

Menopausalsourpuss · 28/08/2024 16:24

It is very naive to say we shouldn't worry about sharia and it is just democracy if Islam has more of an influence in this country in the future. They're are hardly any Christians left in the Middle East, and in places like Pakistan and parts of Africa we are persecuted (we are the most persecuted religion in the world though doesn't get much mention in the msm) so of course it is a legitimate worry before you get to how women are treated in most of the Muslim world.

This.
Try being a Christian in Iran and you'll see the inside of Evin prison before you can blink. .....In fact, I'm trying to think of a Muslim led state where you can go to a church (if you can find one) or buy a bible from a Christian book shop.

Comedycook · 28/08/2024 16:28

Populations and the make up of different parts of the world have always changed and evolved. I think it's probably a quite accurate prediction that eventually Europe will end up as a majority Muslim continent... certainly not within my own lifetime but at some point, I think it's a definite possibility. This is not a rant nor something which I'm angry about by any means just a simple acknowledgement that populations around the world change and evolve.

Gawjus · 28/08/2024 16:25

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Menopausalsourpuss · 28/08/2024 16:24

It is very naive to say we shouldn't worry about sharia and it is just democracy if Islam has more of an influence in this country in the future. They're are hardly any Christians left in the Middle East, and in places like Pakistan and parts of Africa we are persecuted (we are the most persecuted religion in the world though doesn't get much mention in the msm) so of course it is a legitimate worry before you get to how women are treated in most of the Muslim world.

coxesorangepippin · 28/08/2024 16:18

I would like to see the Muslim population of U.K to take to the streets and march to the doors of the Afghani Embassy in London or to take to the streets and march against all of the Islamic countries that treat their female population like second class beings but it has never happened yet and never will. When they do i will donate my hard earned cash.

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This. We've been waiting a while, let's face it.

I'll join you in that donation.

MovingShadowS · 28/08/2024 15:59

Girls, females, women are not just treated badly in Afghanistan though are they ?

The issue is every where to a certain extent.

Every culture has traditions, morals, laws related to females, some are more strict than others.

Does anyone have absolute freedom ?

Patsybricks · 28/08/2024 15:42

People need to question info they get and where it comes from:

Uni child wanted to join the cool people “Free P” area on campus. Telling me they are really good people, they put down wood to protect the grass where they are camping. No harm. They have tents, drinks, food, signs ….

My suggestion was - wear a mask like the “leaders” of the group do. Don’t be someone’s useful idiot. He’s telling me they are all good, doing good. Some bad actors are making it violent.

My other suggestion- who is manipulating you?
Is this group really supporting P ? Where is money for wood floors & tents coming from?

Is it Bill Ackman trying to tear down elite Uni?
or
Who else? really trying to actually help people of P by living in a tent ?? Buying all the stuff? Who?

WHO is manipulating you into joining the tents - do you KNOW??? Do you know what you are really supporting - are you someone’s idiot ?

79Helene · 28/08/2024 15:38

Look, if a couple of "traditional" Jewish women are made to sleep on the floor, it's not because their husband is Jewish, it's because he's an abusive arsehole. And he's not doing it in the name of Judaism, he's doing in the name of abusive arseholes.

ChallahPlaiter · 28/08/2024 15:31

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 28/08/2024 14:26

Which does not mean that it does not happen in more strick Jewish communities. I am Catholic, not particularly orthodox/strict, but grew up around people who were and considered a lot of what they were doing very extreme. And then I met people who were really strict about religion to a whole new level that I could not believe was possible. And yet this was some people's experience. I believe Deborah Feldman wrote a memoir about her leaving her Jewish community- her experience was probably unlike yours, but it does not make it fake/rubbish/nonexistant.
There is a whole lot of horrible abuse in many religious communities that are not experienced by all of its members.

I mean possibly someone sleeps in a place other than a bed if space is tight. But the pp asserted that “traditional” Jewish women, whoever they may be are forced to sleep on the floor. The evidence does not back this up.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/08/2024 15:26

If the UK ever got to the point that it was Muslim majority country, and that majority voted for sharia law to be implemented then surely they would just be democracy manifest and the will of the people?

In theory perhaps, but it's not as simple as that if our postal vote system's used to remove voting rights from women and hand ballot papers to the male family head to complete

The old phrase that choices aren't made in a vacuum may be appropriate here, and I personally know a number of women where the above is exactly what happens. Worse still, some insist that's "just how it is" and don't appear to mind, and while it's not my place to tell them what to object to this seems a shame when we consider the efforts which went into getting women the vote in the first place

Getonwitit · 28/08/2024 15:25

Newbutoldfather · 28/08/2024 11:40

What I would love to see is the same people marching ‘for Palestine’ coming out in force and marching against the Taliban and for women’s rights to education.

This would really make me respect them more.

I would like to see the Muslim population of U.K to take to the streets and march to the doors of the Afghani Embassy in London or to take to the streets and march against all of the Islamic countries that treat their female population like second class beings but it has never happened yet and never will. When they do i will donate my hard earned cash.

Heedthaball · 28/08/2024 15:17

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MorrisZapp · 28/08/2024 15:00

I live in Scotland. Population is 95% white. The Muslims I know are educated professionals, both male and female. The idea that sharia law could somehow take hold here is laughable.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 28/08/2024 14:56

inamarina · 28/08/2024 14:52

The original post that mentioned sleeping on the floor said the following:
“Do you know anything about how women in traditional Jewish households are treated? All behind their religion eg no touching anyone during periods, sleeping on the floor, having to wear wigs etc.”
So it sounded very much like it was common practice in “traditional Jewish households”, not just something that was potentially happening to some women.

They probably should have said some women in traditional households and problem solved. They poster made a sweeping generalisation and of course the situation is not the case for many other women in traditional Jewish households.
The fact is it happens to some, and the fact it is ridiculous does not equate it's not a real thing for, again, some women.