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To be shocked this isn't getting more coverage?

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Sugarcoldturkey · 28/08/2024 08:51

Women in Afghanistan are now forbidden from speaking when not inside their homes. A simple "hello" to someone in a shop is now against the law. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/aug/26/taliban-bar-on-afghan-women-speaking-in-public-un-afghanistan

AIBU to think this is some of the most horrific news I've heard in months? I can't wrap my head around it and I can't help thinking - activists/newspapers/politicians are loud when campaigning about the gender pay gap or the state of child care or a woman's rights to her own body but somehow on this topic no one wants to criticise too often or too loudly.

Is it because religion is mixed in? Or guilt over the war? Or do politicians in particular only care about women's rights when it's a vote-winner in their constituency? Or is it just that it's so terrible and we all feel so powerless to prevent it that we just prefer to ignore the situation?

I'm feeling v v shaken.

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Theunamedcat · 28/08/2024 10:49

We arnt helping though we tried we didn't make it better we trained them told them to keep the taliban at bay themselves and they literally let them right back in seriously what was the point of fighting

Fluffyelephant · 28/08/2024 10:48

Octavia64 · 28/08/2024 09:03

There isn't a public outcry because there is very little we can do.

The U.K. has invaded Afghanistan I think three or four times in the last 200 years.

The soviets, the Americans and us have all tried to drag them out of their backward tribal culture which oppresses women.

Ultimately the men in Afghanistan are prepared to fight for their country and their right to do what they want in it which includes treating women terribly.

All of the invasions were fought and ultimately the Afghans won.

So no, unless you want to suggest that a country invades Afghanistan and puts it's soldiers lives on the line (and lots of them will die) to protect the women of Afghanistan then there is nothing to be done.

The Soviets certainly didn't 'try and drag Afghanistan out of 'their backward tribal culture'. That's ridiculous. Afghanistan was quite a progressive country until the Soviet invasion and then the Taliban managed to take over. If you google 'Afghanistan 1970s' you'll see photos of women in mini-skirts going to University.

It was shameful how the UK left Afghanistan, especially after encouraging so many to take on jobs and responsibilities which could put their lives at risk if the Taliban returned to power.

Sugarcoldturkey · 28/08/2024 10:47

Fancycheese · 28/08/2024 10:43

Oh please! Enough of the faux ignorance. You know exactly what that statement is alarmist and racist.

Fundamentalist Christianity and the LDS church are actively harming women in the United States and no one seems to be alarmed by white Christians.

I'm honestly curious - do you think (so-called) Christian beliefs pose the same level and scope of danger to women worldwide as (so-called) Islamic beliefs?

I'm saying "so-called" because imo extremists are co-opting religion and twisting it into something it's not.

Edited to add: this is part of what I find so frustrating. If I say I find the treatment of women in Afghanistan (and Saudi Arabia etc) horrific then someone somehow claims it's racist to criticise only Muslim countries and the Christian ones also have problems. Yeah sure, but afaik Afghanistan is the only country where women are forbidden from speaking in public. Sticking up for women's rights is not racist

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DoloresHargreeves · 28/08/2024 10:46

EI12 · 28/08/2024 10:11

Not our business. Actually, why are you not vocal on the part of Saudi women? Is it because the Saudis are our allies? Or is there anything in particular about the plight of the women in Afghanistan? Or is it because Saudi women are better off financially and are allowed an occasional trip to Selfridges in the UK?

Can women in Saudi Arabia not speak in public?

Thurien · 28/08/2024 10:44

Trump and Biden played a massive part in this. It was their stupid agreement (Promise you won’t let the Taliban back in control!)

The only massive part is that played by the Taliban when it comes to the treatment of women in Afghanistan. Iran has issues with women's rights also, as do several other middle eastern states of course.

Fancycheese · 28/08/2024 10:43

AInightingale · 28/08/2024 10:39

What's racist about it? Islam is not a race, it's an ideology.

Oh please! Enough of the faux ignorance. You know exactly what that statement is alarmist and racist.

Fundamentalist Christianity and the LDS church are actively harming women in the United States and no one seems to be alarmed by white Christians.

SphinxOfBlackQuartz · 28/08/2024 10:43

It's awful. Even more so because when you cannot see or hear women at all, it makes it even easier to get away with murder, violence and sexual violance.

They have no voice at all left with which to cry out.

bringincrazyback · 28/08/2024 10:41

Blondiebeachbabe · 28/08/2024 09:53

Until 1972, women in this region dressed exactly like we do today. Can you imagine the horror, of being there at the time that these new laws came in?

It is predicted, that the UK could be majority Muslim, by 2050.

Let that sink in.

'It is predicted' by whom?

AInightingale · 28/08/2024 10:39

Busybeemumm · 28/08/2024 10:24

It is predicted, that the UK could be majority Muslim, by 2050.

Let that sink in.

And here come the racists 🙄

Violence against women and girls by men in the UK is endemic and that is by men of all religions and colours (not just Muslim ones!).

What's racist about it? Islam is not a race, it's an ideology.

whyNotaNice · 28/08/2024 10:38

It has proven time and time that society within national borders does what it does and neither the USA nor the UK can do anything about it

are Iraq or Libya better off after being toppled? Same vacuums filled with same types of people

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 28/08/2024 10:36

Sugarcoldturkey · 28/08/2024 10:32

Sure, definitely not just Muslim ones, but unfortunately religion can be a very effective shield against criticism. We've seen that all over the world and across religions.

Really, why can any religion trump women's rights?

People hid behind Christianity to commit atrocities. So too can people with Islam. A situation doesn't stop being deeply unjust simply because someone says "it's my religious belief".

100%

Having concerns about Islam is considered a 'phobia'.

Why is there no 'phobia' of Christianity?

Vintago · 28/08/2024 10:32

Every time the West has invaded Afghanistan to try and re establish democratic rights, it has gone horribly wrong.
Nonetheless, every woman on MN needs to post support for the Afghan women on here and on other social media.
Women should lead the global denouncement of such barbaric behaviour

Sugarcoldturkey · 28/08/2024 10:32

Busybeemumm · 28/08/2024 10:24

It is predicted, that the UK could be majority Muslim, by 2050.

Let that sink in.

And here come the racists 🙄

Violence against women and girls by men in the UK is endemic and that is by men of all religions and colours (not just Muslim ones!).

Sure, definitely not just Muslim ones, but unfortunately religion can be a very effective shield against criticism. We've seen that all over the world and across religions.

Really, why can any religion trump women's rights?

People hid behind Christianity to commit atrocities. So too can people with Islam. A situation doesn't stop being deeply unjust simply because someone says "it's my religious belief".

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Floralnomad · 28/08/2024 10:31

Well they’ve just covered it on the BBC news . I despair , and if I was the family of anybody killed in the last Afghan war I would be pulling my hair out , what a waste of life for nothing . They should be shunned and isolated in the same way as South Africa were during the apartheid years so for a start stop playing cricket with them .

Ivehearditbothways · 28/08/2024 10:31

Octavia64 · 28/08/2024 09:03

There isn't a public outcry because there is very little we can do.

The U.K. has invaded Afghanistan I think three or four times in the last 200 years.

The soviets, the Americans and us have all tried to drag them out of their backward tribal culture which oppresses women.

Ultimately the men in Afghanistan are prepared to fight for their country and their right to do what they want in it which includes treating women terribly.

All of the invasions were fought and ultimately the Afghans won.

So no, unless you want to suggest that a country invades Afghanistan and puts it's soldiers lives on the line (and lots of them will die) to protect the women of Afghanistan then there is nothing to be done.

What are you taking about? Afghan women were allowed to go to university, they walked around wearing mini skirts. In the 60s and 70s, they were gaining ground with women’s rights.
There was still tribal society and all the issues with difference in culture and marriage and everything but it was nothing like it it now.

The taliban didn’t exist before 1994. And they only exist because of the west, because of our invading in and war. The level of extremism from them happened because of the west. We left Afghanistan in a worse state than we found it.

Getonwitit · 28/08/2024 10:30

Maybe the west need to sit up take notice of how the men of Afghanistan treat the women of the country when they have free reign to do as they please. Maybe the west will then realise this is why they need to stop such men entering the west. These men and their medieval misogynistic attitudes have no place in the Western world.
Stop putting all the blame on the west and blame the pigs that abuse these women and girls.

Demonhunter · 28/08/2024 10:28

Sugarcoldturkey · 28/08/2024 08:51

Women in Afghanistan are now forbidden from speaking when not inside their homes. A simple "hello" to someone in a shop is now against the law. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/aug/26/taliban-bar-on-afghan-women-speaking-in-public-un-afghanistan

AIBU to think this is some of the most horrific news I've heard in months? I can't wrap my head around it and I can't help thinking - activists/newspapers/politicians are loud when campaigning about the gender pay gap or the state of child care or a woman's rights to her own body but somehow on this topic no one wants to criticise too often or too loudly.

Is it because religion is mixed in? Or guilt over the war? Or do politicians in particular only care about women's rights when it's a vote-winner in their constituency? Or is it just that it's so terrible and we all feel so powerless to prevent it that we just prefer to ignore the situation?

I'm feeling v v shaken.

Many were shouting about it when US troops were withdrawn, we knew what was going to happen and it was being pushed, I remember some reports showing dads deaperately trying to get their daughters on the planes out of there. It was ignored by the masses.

Tonkabeans · 28/08/2024 10:27

I think at some point Taliban banned high heel noise, and also birdsong (not sure how they were thinking to enforce birds not singing though....) it's all so horrific and absurd that I'm not sure even where to begin doing something about it after all the failed attempts...

Busybeemumm · 28/08/2024 10:27

OP yes I am shocked this hasn't had more media coverage. Violence against women is not top priority in the UK or anywhere in the world really.

Busybeemumm · 28/08/2024 10:24

Blondiebeachbabe · 28/08/2024 09:53

Until 1972, women in this region dressed exactly like we do today. Can you imagine the horror, of being there at the time that these new laws came in?

It is predicted, that the UK could be majority Muslim, by 2050.

Let that sink in.

It is predicted, that the UK could be majority Muslim, by 2050.

Let that sink in.

And here come the racists 🙄

Violence against women and girls by men in the UK is endemic and that is by men of all religions and colours (not just Muslim ones!).

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 28/08/2024 10:23

Biden pulling out was the biggest US foreign policy disaster since the Yanks decided to send troops to Vietnam.

Tryonemoretime · 28/08/2024 10:22

If Hamas wins the current war in Gaza and invades Israel, women in the whole region will lose their rights. Hard line militant Islam extremists want women to put up and shut up. I absolutely hate what's happening in Gaza, but militant Islam must not be allowed to spread or we'll all be at risk of this terrible ideology. Already, we are seeing that MSM is tiptoeing around the threat - they are not explaining why this war must be won by Israel. Don't forget that poor teacher and his family who are still in hiding because he showed a drawing of Muhammed in his RE class. Hard-line Islamists are an appalling threat to the west - and particularly western women.

perplexedandbemused · 28/08/2024 10:22

TheYearOfSmallThings · 28/08/2024 10:18

Afghanistan has been a mess for so many years, any government can only lose by intervening. I used to wonder why powerful countries didn't just sort out situations like this, but over the last three decades I have seen that countries who go in achieve little and end up hated, while countries who do nothing are not blamed.

Sounds like the story of everything. The reaction to the crime becomes the crime.

Just been reading about how public flogging and stoning to death have been reintroduced a few months ago. It genuinely is handmaids tail stuff. Horrific.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 28/08/2024 10:18

Afghanistan has been a mess for so many years, any government can only lose by intervening. I used to wonder why powerful countries didn't just sort out situations like this, but over the last three decades I have seen that countries who go in achieve little and end up hated, while countries who do nothing are not blamed.