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To think SAHMs need 'me time' too

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toddlernotime · 28/08/2024 06:13

I won't go into the details of my personal reasons for asking, but generally if a woman is a SAHM Mon-Fri (I will clarify that that means she herself works on a weekend, around the father), is it unreasonable of her to expect equal parental responsibility when both parents aren't working and thus, an equal/near equal share of 'me time'? Or is taking on the role of primary parent seen to be the easy life that should need minimal break from?

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toddlernotime · 28/08/2024 09:27

IReallyCouldntThinkOfAUsername · 28/08/2024 08:59

You both need a break. I dont know how your set up is, but he can't be working and then kids and nothing else. He needs him time. And you can't be kids and weekend working with no downtime either.

He gets both mornings and evenings when we're both not working, and time in the afternoon. He also gets a couple of hours even when I am working because he'll enlist the help of MIL so he can still go and do his own thing. I get no help when he's working and whatever portion of the afternoon he spares me when he's not. The other day as an example, he had 8am-4pm and then 6pm-bed. I got 4pm-6pm. I might get a couple more hours some days but this is pretty much our standard.

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IReallyCouldntThinkOfAUsername · 28/08/2024 08:59

You both need a break. I dont know how your set up is, but he can't be working and then kids and nothing else. He needs him time. And you can't be kids and weekend working with no downtime either.

DearestGentleReader · 28/08/2024 07:48

Love51 · 28/08/2024 06:30

Ah the age old paradox. Parenting is so easy that when you do it, it doesn't count as work but simultaneously so taxing that I can't possibly be expected to do it on my precious time off from work.
Either it is hard work for you both and you both need a break scheduled into your week and some help from your partner, or it isn't work for anyone in which case it's no trouble for the more employed parent to take the kids.

If you can, come up with a routine that gives you both a break. In the early days we were putting one child to bed each. This meant if the other adult wasn't there it felt like hard work. As soon as we made the whole of bedtime a one person job, taking it roughly in turns, we both got a break (or a clean kitchen but then chilled out after kids bedtime).

I could have written this myself.
I've never yet had an proper answer on how the exact same activity can be considered leisure time for one parent and insufferable toil for the other.
One of life's great mysteries, I think.

Crystallizedring · 28/08/2024 07:40

Ifyouinsistthen · 28/08/2024 07:20

Agree with all PP that the primary parent needs free/down time just as much as the working parent. Another observation I have is that working parents actually get down time when they’re commuting to work, when they can eat their lunch in peace, when they can have adult conversations without interruption. The stay at home parent never gets a break from their work. Your husband is already getting child-free non working time at least a few hours per day. Also his comment about babysitting is ridiculous and offensive.

I miss adult conversation and having an actual lunch break (also miss having a wee in peace) but if you have never been a SAHP then I don't think some people get how hard and demanding it is.
Yes I'm lucky to be at home (not by choice though but by circumstances) but they doesn't mean it's not hard work.

Tohaveandtohold · 28/08/2024 07:37

Both parents deserve some me time. In your situation, if I understand correctly, your DP works in the week and looks after the children in the weekend and you look after the children in the week and work weekends. Both of you have no downtime but you should, both of you should so as he needs sometime to go to the gym, that’s fine otherwise what’s the point of it all if you can’t do anything for yourselves. You also need sometime to do something for you. With your arrangement, it may be hard but I don’t see why both of you can’t have some morning or evenings based on shift patterns that’s earmarked for each other. However if he feels you deserve no time then he’s wrong

mambojambodothetango · 28/08/2024 07:37

Your husband is a lazy fuck. I'm sorry. Show him these responses if he doesn't believe you.

Dery · 28/08/2024 07:31

“itsgettingweird · Today 07:09
Tell DP that you are parenting your children when he's at work.

And when you're at work he's parenting his children.

When you are both home you are both parenting your children.

It's called parenting.

I think the person at home during the day could pick up a heavier share of the housework - so washing/ironing etc as they work less days.

But if you have children who are home 24/7 and don't nap you are parenting all the time and there needs to be equal amount of independent adult time for both.

I think it's important that time can be away from the home too - especially if one parent is a SAHP. (You're not because you also work).”

This. Your H is being an arsehole. What does he think other working parents do? When they’re home with their DCs, they are parenting.

And as a PP said, when DCs are young, you really don’t get much down time. That just a reality (which so many fathers seem to ignore). Maybe a few hours a week. But that’s it. Obviously that increases as DCs get older and can do more for themselves. And if your DCs are in school, SAHPs get down time during the day but somehow it sounds from your OP like your DCs are not in school yet.

And as many PPs have said: you’re not an SAHM because you work part time. SAHMs have no paid employment.

Sweetteaplease · 28/08/2024 07:22

Sorry, to add YANBU. Fathers get it easy with SAHM, their life basically stays the same, if anything they now do less as you're doing all the housework. I thought being a SAHM would be easy until I realised how hard it was to have a baby, and not realising the housework would now also increase x10. The dad definitely needs to step up. Think of it as your job too and you'll see you got the unfair deal (but of course we do it because we love our children). Hindsight and experience shows things in a very different light! All the best Flowers

TruthorDie · 28/08/2024 07:21

InWalksBarberalla · 28/08/2024 06:46

Both parents should have equal downtime - so time not at paid work or looking after children.

This.

Ifyouinsistthen · 28/08/2024 07:20

Agree with all PP that the primary parent needs free/down time just as much as the working parent. Another observation I have is that working parents actually get down time when they’re commuting to work, when they can eat their lunch in peace, when they can have adult conversations without interruption. The stay at home parent never gets a break from their work. Your husband is already getting child-free non working time at least a few hours per day. Also his comment about babysitting is ridiculous and offensive.

LoquaciousPineapple · 28/08/2024 07:20

When I was a SAHM, we always treated it as a job. So whatever hours my husband was commuting or working, I was on SAHM duty. As soon as he got back, anything that was left to do housework-wise and the childcare were all split 50-50. That included night wakings. If anything, my husband sometimes did more childcare than me outside working hours, as he was keen to spend time with our son that he’d missed during the week and didn’t see it as “childcare” per se. We had equal amounts of free time to do whatever we wanted as well.

In your friends case where she's also working as well, everything should be shared 50-50 for sure. Or even she should be doing less if the dad isn't also working weekends.

ABirdsEyeView · 28/08/2024 07:19

Who does he think would do these other jobs if he lived on his own? Remind him that you are not his mother! Independent adults have to manage their own homes and chores as well as go to work and look after children!

I think if you do split, then you can't count on him to step up and do his full share - likely you'd be in the position you are in now, just without having to deal with his immature, selfish attitude!

I think your strategy needs to be in securing your own finances - make sure you have money that he can't access and that shared assets are in your name too and not solely in his. You should consider increasing your own work time and sorting childcare so that you aren't dependent on him financially in the future.
You may not want to leave right now but you do need to set things up so that you can, in the future. I doubt he'll improve as a person. Secure yourself and your children.

Sweetteaplease · 28/08/2024 07:18

Yes or you'll go mental, SAHM isn't like any other job as you are constantly in demand 24/7 with no days off, ever. (Unless your husband does his share, which is extremely rare!)

Chaosx3x · 28/08/2024 07:18

assuming that the SAHM is looking after kids all day Mon-Fri then yes of course. But if the kids are at school then I’d say the other partner should be entitled to a bit more free time on evenings and weekends as the SAHM is getting time to themselves in the week. Even if they do all washing/cooking etc that doesn’t take 6 hours a day 5 days a week.

doesn’t sound like it’s the situation here though as a) mum is still working so not actually a SAHM and b) kids are still young so not at school

toddlernotime · 28/08/2024 07:16

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 28/08/2024 07:12

You both need a break so take turns to do bedtimes. If the kids are young and not yet at school.

I don't mind doing bedtimes because I view it as fair enough that with DC being breastfed, it falls on me to do. But what I am starting to mind is having to do mornings (so DP can go to the gym), evenings and then allow him time to do his own thing in the afternoon because he doesn't want to utilise his evenings or get up early or whatever to fit his other things in.

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 28/08/2024 07:14

Tell him research has shown that being at home with young kids is more stressful than 98% of occupations as your body is in constant fight or flight mode. Unless he is in a combat zone being shot at or fighting fires everyday (even fire fighters usually get quiet days) then he'll need less time off than you

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 28/08/2024 07:12

You both need a break so take turns to do bedtimes. If the kids are young and not yet at school.

toddlernotime · 28/08/2024 07:11

Arrivapercy · 28/08/2024 07:03

I do think a lot of parents are pretty unrealistic about how much "me time" is left when you both work and have kids. By the time you've done other jobs & actually spent time with your kids/partner, I find there's not a great deal of extra time left.

We personally get a lot more than most; combined we get on average, 12 full days a month off together (both shift workers so our hours are effectively condensed). The other jobs you refer to simply don't get done if I'm not the one to do them in my 'me time' because DP won't do them in his or as he goes, even though they're joint responsibility. And given I currently get little 'me time' and refuse to spend all of what I do get doing said other little jobs, many don't get done.

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SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 28/08/2024 07:11

You are describing him as a partner, not a husband, do please make sure that you don't stop working and put plenty into a pension. If you have a mortgage, are you on the house deeds? Don't sacrifice everything you have for a partner who has no responsibility towards you if you separate.

ABirdsEyeView · 28/08/2024 07:11

Everyone needs time to themselves. You aren't unreasonable at all and your 'D' P is a selfish prick!

He should want to spend time with his children - that's the point of having them! 'Babysitting' is not something a parent does - looking after one's own children is called parenting and that's as much his responsibility as yours, since you are both parents. It doesn't matter that he works out the home for longer hours - he is still his children's parent and has responsibility to help care for them and have some input into their lives. He should actively want this and it's a huge problem that he sees it as a waste of time!

But also, he should care enough about you to want to give you what you need. He doesn't. He doesn't respect what you do and he doesn't love you enough to help you and put your needs first sometimes.

You would honestly be better off without him because you wouldn't have the emotional stress.

mammaCh · 28/08/2024 07:10

If you work 2 days a week that is not a SAHM, that's working part time.
Of course you both deserve down time.

itsgettingweird · 28/08/2024 07:09

Tell DP that you are parenting your children when he's at work.

And when you're at work he's parenting his children.

When you are both home you are both parenting your children.

It's called parenting.

I think the person at home during the day could pick up a heavier share of the housework - so washing/ironing etc as they work less days.

But if you have children who are home 24/7 and don't nap you are parenting all the time and there needs to be equal amount of independent adult time for both.

I think it's important that time can be away from the home too - especially if one parent is a SAHP. (You're not because you also work).

I know it's said on here a lot but remind him if he doesn't want a partnership you are happy to go it alone without him and his responsibility will be an equal 50/50.

Arrivapercy · 28/08/2024 07:03

I do think a lot of parents are pretty unrealistic about how much "me time" is left when you both work and have kids. By the time you've done other jobs & actually spent time with your kids/partner, I find there's not a great deal of extra time left.

Crystallizedring · 28/08/2024 07:01

I had similar recently. Tbf when I was working DH had ear marked Saturday afternoon as his time to listen to the football, alone, but then insist Sunday was family time.
I have booked in some me time, for example, going out on Saturday night with ex colleagues, because I realised if I didn't put my foot down and insist I would burn out because being a SAHM is hard.
I stopped asking for me time and just told him I'm doing X on x day. He still gets more down time than me but as long as I have time off to look forward to I don't mind.

Kta7 · 28/08/2024 07:00

Izzymoon · 28/08/2024 06:53

You might have preferred it in an ideal world but the reality is you need to get back to work because you will be a single parent.
This is a man who doesn’t respect you, and if he doesn’t respect you he can’t truly love you.

That seems harsh to read but it’s the truth. Look at your life, he prioritises his own time and rest above yours day in and day out.

A man who says he doesn’t want to spend his weekend babysitting his own kids?? Gross.

She is back at work: she works weekends.