Was I being unkind? Women filming themselves in their pants

Which person? The one trying on a jumpsuit?

Whatever planet you're on, I don't like it there.

This person has done just that tonight. She is as bad as they are.

How often do you witness women sexually objectifying themselves in exactly the same way that men do?

Go watch some misogynist trash about women. Read the comments. Listen to some yobs in the pub going on about women asking for it and what they'd like to do to them. Hell, even listen to some rape jokes. Tell me you've ever seen more than a couple of (very damaged) women talking about themselves like that.

Perhaps I'm not a genuine, but I can't figure out why she's doing this. Are you saying it is obviously narcissism, exhibitionism, or similar?

@AGentleMusing, rape is commonplace in those countries where women are required to cover themselves entirely. Legally, it isn't rape unless the victim can procure four male witnesses of good character 😒 Unsurprisingly, there are few prosecutions, especially since a woman who admits to being raped can be convicted of something like promiscuity. Approx 2,000 women are in prison in Pakistan for alleging rape.

"Modesty" doesn't protect women, it criminalises them and protects men.

My point is that when women objectify and sexualise themselves in exacrly the same way that men do, they are in cahoots with the very same patriarchal system that you are blaming. The one that relies upon and supports the oversexualisation and objectification of women

My advice to you would be to stop doing it then and stop being in cahoots with the men.

Men objectify women. This reduces women to simple body parts. Men sexualise these body parts.

The conversrion has moved on, as far as I was aware, from jumpsuits to women posting semi naked videos of themselves on SM generally.

Women, especially younger, inexperienced women, do this because this is what they have early confident, attractive and desirable women do and who doesn't want to be that?

Rape myths rely on a number of sexual stereotypes about women and sex.

Women are regarded as 'flaunting' their bodies rather than just having one; school girls are criticised for the way they look on their uniforms etc because of the way the female body is oversexualised.

When women complicit in this oversexualisation of their bodies, posting naked, semi naked videos online. It supports the idea that womens bodies are simply sexual. It validates the idea rather than challenging it.

A rape myths prevail.

So I'm not saying that women are to be blamed for being raped but I am saying that when some women choose to present themselves in a highly sexualised way, believing it to be 'empowering', it reifies the idea that that women do deserve it.

Some of you are spectacularly missing the point.

The point im making isn't that dressing modestly will keep you safe or that wearing reveling clothes will get you raped so it's the victims fault.

My point is that when women objectify and sexualise themselves in exacrly the same way that men do, they are in cahoots with the very same patriarchal system that you are blaming. The one that relies upon and supports the oversexualisation and objectification of women.

Agreed. If anything, they will have a better idea that bodies come in all ages, shapes and sizes. I doubt many 13 year olds would watch it with any interest.

AGentleMusing

So you think we should all cover up - what parts should we see? Eyes only? Or going full Taliban on us?

Thank you! She thinks covered women get justice, they do not. In countries where women are covered religiously they get less justice as there are other excuses!

No they are low because rapists lie and society believes them and because ppl like you victim blame so ppl do not report believing that they brought it on themselves.

The rate is low mainly because of the quota that lets rapists walk free without even being charged.

@AGentleMusing nope, your logic still doesn't bear out - from another woman who never reported what happened to me either.

The thing is, women are often not going to be believed in the patriarchal system. No matter what we wear, how we act, the system just does not prioritise us.

I know it is nice to think there is an easy solution to this - dress modestly, we'll all be ok - but it's just not that simple. We could all be covered head to toe and it wouldn't make the tiniest bit of difference.

No.

But the conviction rates are low because of rape myths.

Some people are trying to educate on rape myths and point out that women aren't sexually available to any man at all times but even women are presented as sexually available at all times either in films, on TV or on their own social media, those myths become harder to challenge.

And may of those young 'empowered' women are doing it precisely because they don't understand the.social mechanisms at play. They don't understand whose hands they are playing into.

So I'm actually making the opposite point than the one you are arguing against.

I font care if people disagree but at least argue against the point I'm making and not one you've made up in your head.

People are saying the system and rape myths are responsible. Yes. I agree.

Why don't you explain it to me like I'm five. How does a woman demonstrating how her body looks in a jumpsuit affect rape convictions? Why do we have a moral obligation to other women to not demonstrate to others how our bodies look in jumpsuits?

It all sounds very controlling and judgemental from what I see, but you explain to me how it isn't.

When women objectify themselves, it makes those myths harder to challenge because they are based on the premise that women are sexually available at all times.

Nope it doesn't - if you relate clothing to being sexually promiscuous then that says a lot about you not us.

@AGentleMusing I get what you're saying. I see logic in what you're saying and I do not read it as a victim blame statement.

We can see how this might be feeding into a particular perception that isn't really helpful for us.

Nope. Still misunderstood the point.

Rape convictions are low no matter what because society including YOU will blame victims for being raped. A system created by criminals will always support criminals. Stop blaming women. What next, she was out alone so deserved it?

I was naked when I was raped as I was in bed with my partner, so by your standards, I clearly deserved it.

Women do not have to change their clothes or behaviour according to a moral code that you've invented. And bringing the threat of rape into it as if they somehow deserve it if they don't adhere to your particular brand of modesty is misguided at best.

You didn't understand my post.

I wasn't excusing rapists or blaming women for rape.

I was talking about the system and how women are perceived and the impact on conviction rates. We all know about rape myths.

When women objectify themselves, it makes those myths harder to challenge because they are based on the premise that women are sexually available at all times.

And, yes, I say that as a rape victim who didn't tell anyone because I knew there was zero chance of securing a conviction.

@LivingInStrangeTimes I really, really don't want my kids on social media absorbing all of the sick shit that is out there.

Why are you watching it then.

How is it disrespectful to show a bellybutton? Jesus Christ! She is covered up so going to the beach in swimwear is disrespectful to women?!

No rape convictions are harder due to rapists and their lies and their supporters and the justice system fudging data. Most rape happens in the home. You are speaking to a rape victim who have met the system and the reason my rapist didn't get held to account despite admitting to it is because of the books and media and the quota.

You think covering up will do that? Nice victim blaming there! Abhorrent.

Christ. So now women and girls getting raped and assaulted is the fault of other women who don't 'respect themselves'. Great.

And all the boys and men who have been sexually assaulted and raped by other men just weren't 'respecting themselves' either, according to your logic.

Please educate yourself.

Start with this article www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2024/0416/1443731-13-on-tiktok-self-harm-and-suicide-content-shown-shocks-experts/