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Husband made lists about what I have done ‘wrong’

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IfIwasablackbird · 27/08/2024 10:24

We were in the car with the kids recently and I opened his phone to put google maps on. He was driving.
It came up with a list of things about me ‘No food shopping left Tuesday, nothing to cook for dinner’ and it went on, chores and things.
I asked and kind of ignored it as the kids were in the car.
When I asked later he said it was in case I brought up things he hasn’t done, so he’s made lists about me!!?!? I was so shocked.
I pointed out that I am not solely responsible for food shopping, he had actually done it that particular weekend.

We both work full time and it’s fair to say I do just about all life admin, all the school stuff, Drs, dentists, school uniform etc.
I then realise there are more lists, with stuff such as ‘went for a run, had to watch child2 while she went to have hair done’.

I’m just so hurt and upset and he sees absolutely no issue, won’t even apologise.

I can’t get past it and he doesn’t care. Basically it’s more convenient for him if I just pretend I didn’t see this.

Am I being unreasonable to feel this is a dealbreaker? It just shows a total lack of respect. We’ve been together 20 years and he has always been quite selfish but this is just next level nasty.

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maximalistmaximus · 20/02/2025 23:51

I had this a long time ago.

Stayed.

The misery just continues.

Well done.

You called it right.

Createausername1970 · 20/02/2025 21:36

I am sorry it didn't work out in the end, but it sounds like you gave it your best shot and the counselling has helped you to understand each other better, which will hopefully benefit the co-parenting in years to come.

pointythings · 20/02/2025 20:45

@IfIwasablackbird you can hand on heart say that you tried everything. It doesn't matter that you couldn't move past the lists - they were the straw, there was lots of other stuff and ultimately the damage done to your relationship was too great. So now you know that and let's hope you can split up like civil adult human beings, co-parent well and enjoy life.

FWIW I think you will be far, far happier without him.

Greydays3 · 20/02/2025 20:17

I really commend the huge efforts you made after finding those lists.

I think it is really unfortunate that he may be autistic, because irrespective of any label he is a nasty, ugly, bullying prick.

A real piece of shit.
I believe his actions have been too nasty and deliberate to be anything other than the nasty ugly little man he is.

So delighted that you will have a future without him.

IfIwasablackbird · 20/02/2025 19:32

@AcquadiP Unfortunately informal measures haven’t led to performance improvement. 😜

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AcquadiP · 20/02/2025 18:47

What next, a performance improvement plan?

NadjaofAntipaxos · 20/02/2025 18:44

Well nobody can say you didn't give it your best shot here!
I've just read all your posts and crikey, he sounds insufferable. Lists, Andrew Tate, opinions on women his utter contempt for you.
This next but of divorcing is going to be tough but keep up with the individual counselling if you still find it useful.
The chapter of your life after divorce is going to be so great. Sending you lots of strength.

SeatonCarew · 20/02/2025 18:43

Wishing you every happiness and success in your future life OP. You'll get there! x

FriendsDrinkBook · 20/02/2025 18:42

Good luck op. I'm glad you've made a firm decision about your future. Fwiw I think it's the correct one and that you'll be happier.

Gymnopedie · 20/02/2025 18:27

From all your posts it sounds like he has some real issues, but that doesn't mean he can make you his punchbag. Onwards and upwards!

Well done for having the strength to know you couldn't go on.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 20/02/2025 18:24

IfIwasablackbird · 20/02/2025 18:15

Thank you.

He maintains it was to help our marriage…

I joke with a friend about crone era and I’m looking forward to that!

It takes a lot of strength to get up the courage to leave. I applaud you for that. I always hear the chorus in my head from the Madonna song, Respect Yourself: You'll do much better, baby, on your own...

IfIwasablackbird · 20/02/2025 18:15

Thank you.

He maintains it was to help our marriage…

I joke with a friend about crone era and I’m looking forward to that!

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Mumtobabyhavoc · 20/02/2025 18:06

@IfIwasablackbird my take on it was that he was preparing "evidence" for separation/divorce. Glad to know you've separated as it will be much better for you. Please be careful, though. I wouldn't trust him.

StolenChanel · 20/02/2025 18:05

IfIwasablackbird · 20/02/2025 18:02

Just as an update.

It didn’t work out. I can’t let it go and actually it all just made me really angry about the whole marriage. I can’t forgive this.

While it doesn’t feel great, I’m looking forward to the next chapter of life. All civil so I think we’ll be able to co-parent well.

Luckily lots of helpful threads on Mumsnet about separating!

I’m glad to hear you stood your ground and did what was best for you. Sometimes letting go can be harder than clinging on, so I’m pleased you put yourself first. All the best for your next chapter!

IfIwasablackbird · 20/02/2025 18:02

Just as an update.

It didn’t work out. I can’t let it go and actually it all just made me really angry about the whole marriage. I can’t forgive this.

While it doesn’t feel great, I’m looking forward to the next chapter of life. All civil so I think we’ll be able to co-parent well.

Luckily lots of helpful threads on Mumsnet about separating!

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unbelieveable22 · 14/11/2024 15:53

I get the sense @IfIwasablackbird that you need to do this and that if you are not satisfied with the outcome that you will then reassess and walk. I don't think it would be the way forward for many and something I wouldn't advocate but you seem to have a steely determination to do it your way.
Just thinking of those lists gives me the shivers but you have to do what you feel is right for you.
Please stay in touch for support and I wish you lots of luck and strength for the future with or without your husband.

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 14/11/2024 15:16

Why now does he communicate better because of a therapist?

what will happen when the sessions end?
will he revert to type?
has he been referred for his ASD as no one but s professional can dx that and who brought it up

are you seeing the same counsellor for joint and separate isn’t that a conflict as in your privacy rights as she can blurt out someone you didn’t want him to know in joints sessions.

no one can tell what to do that’s all you, but I’d give a time stamp so you have a goal and end but don’t tell him that. See how it goes but review in a year.

remember you can leave for any reason

IfIwasablackbird · 13/11/2024 17:15

@LookItsMeAgain that’s what I’m finding at the moment.

I still think it can be done amicably though. The counselling has opened the door to that.

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LookItsMeAgain · 13/11/2024 17:04

If you can't get past the lists that he made (as in returning to them as an issue) then they will always be a stumbling block in your marriage and I don't think any amount of time in counselling will help you get past them.

I do wish you well, whatever your path may be.

IfIwasablackbird · 13/11/2024 15:31

@LookItsMeAgain yes, lists came up first as it was the straw that broke the camels back. Honestly the counsellor wasn’t that bothered by them, more by his lack of and style of communication, even with her.
Sessions together and separately.

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LookItsMeAgain · 13/11/2024 13:48

Also to add - staying with someone for 8 years just so that your children can see mum and dad together, is just wrong. You could be much happier apart from each other and still show your kids love (probably more love because you wouldn't have to have barriers up to protect yourself from whatever he might come out with next as a way to demean you).
I'm not saying that leaving would be easy - it surely wouldn't but at the end of it, you still have your kids and you'd also have a release to freedom.

Best of luck with it all though.

LookItsMeAgain · 13/11/2024 13:44

IfIwasablackbird · 12/11/2024 18:11

@RaiseitM I am still very angry.

I am not defending him, so much as defending my decision to go through with the counselling and not just leave outright.

Honestly I would rather stay in a marriage of convenience than go through with a divorce right now.

Some days I don’t even want to look at him, as I’m thinking about the lists.

It might make me a dreadful woman, but my children are happy and that’s my focus. If this can not affect them, then I’ll grin and bear it another 8 years.

Have you dealt with the lists as part of the counselling? Have you discussed this with the counsellor and with him?

I'm not sure if you're doing one-to-one and combined counselling but I think you have to raise that as it was such a line in the sand moment for you and shocking to the people who have replied on this post.

IfIwasablackbird · 12/11/2024 18:59

@ThatsCute thank you. I appreciate it.

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ThatsCute · 12/11/2024 18:35

IfIwasablackbird · 12/11/2024 18:26

@RaiseitM no worries.

I haven’t said I’m determined to stay.

I was pretty open the counselling could help a split be less acrimonious.

All the best, thanks for the support.

OP, you don’t have to decide whether to leave him today. You’ve said that you want to explore all avenues before walking away for the sake of your kids, and I respect that. You and DH are doing counselling—his attitude toward it, whether he is remorseful, and whether he changes his behaviours going forward will tell you everything you need to know about whether you should leave.

IfIwasablackbird · 12/11/2024 18:26

@RaiseitM no worries.

I haven’t said I’m determined to stay.

I was pretty open the counselling could help a split be less acrimonious.

All the best, thanks for the support.

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