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Expecting to be met at Arrivals

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FarFarWay · 27/08/2024 09:49

(OK, this a while ago - but |I have never cleared it up in my mind; I need other opinions.)

Travelling with an 8 year old, to meet people who I don't really know (even though technically family), and who the child has never met.

Two flights (one upgraded, the other downgraded, by comparison; no spare time in the airport in Japan, just a mad dash to find the plane!), about 22 hours in the air total, plus the travel down to Heathrow/check-in etc. (Also a week before Christmas). Almost the only child on the flight, and even though a "special meal", most of it was not to her liking - not fussy but never eaten sushi etc. So she was a bit hungry and tired when we landed.

The people we were to be staying with lived approx 40 minutes away.
Not only did a carful of people who my eight year old had never met, EVENTUALLY turn up - but we had to sit and wait for them to get there.

Before anyone says "Let it go....". The main player of that group has recently brought up the trip, and what a (not-quite-but almost-) disaster it was - but the then eight-year-old has never seen these (important, arguably) people ever again, and this is now being held against her by the main player.

Despite appearances, I am not a grudge holder but, in my over-thinking way, I have actually tried to figure out the actual science of this flight and how much time was needed for them to be there to greet us. And I am a bit pissed at the "they", as the delay was blamed on the wife element doing her hair, when she really did not need to come as well, as it made the whole thing into a bigger deal, when we - and especially my daughter - would have really appreciated it being casual and low key - let alone there actually be someone - anyone - present, when we came through the Arrival doors to ---- [crickets].

By my (bad) calculations, they didn't even set off until we landed.... but due to the time-travel aspect of hours behind/ahead, am I getting it wrong?

(PS - on the one hand, this light-hearted, but on the other - as I said, she has never seen them again, and so sometimes, it seems like it happened yesterday.)

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hangingonfordearlife1 · 05/09/2024 11:38

TitusMoan · 27/08/2024 10:00

We need to know how the daughter behaved. There is so much you’re not saying here.

Dear OP

You have a very strange style of writing. Did you grow up in UK?

FarFarWay · 04/09/2024 18:43

I agree with everything you say @Eskimalita , and thank you, I appreciate what you are saying.

I want to say a little more about why this seems to have dragged on through out my life (and expect there may be some mockery/confusion from some quarters, if anyone actually reads these further ramblings).

Firstly, I had not heard the phrase "Arrested Development" until only a few years ago. And it really did help me understand some of the difficulties I had. My parents left/lost me at the age of three - but who remembers that, right?

Later on though - having lived my childhood and adolescence with paternal grandparents, two significant events regarding both the mother and the father (separately - which they had been for well over a decade) happened when |I was 14 - 16. These things effed up my life and more importantly, my education. Although in a sense, becuase I "allowed them to".... there was no pastoral care, and non-one noticed or cared that I was really really struggling.

So, in one way, I do believe there is an aspect of me that is stuck in the mid-teens (oh, I wish!). Which is maddening for everyone.

But of course, I have carried on on the conveyor belt of life. Effed up personal relationships as well, often in search of a father-figure, and always always with an overwhelming sense of inadequacy and inferiority. When was younger, the future was ahead of me, and I could push aside that terrible "chip on my shoulder". But now.... far less time ahead than behind.

So - Time.... in my attempts to understand why it is so shitty between me and my father, I HAVE to reflect on what has happened over the years (and years). NOT the nitty-gritty _ such as meeting (or not) at Arrivals in New Zealand) - the lack of care for his then only-grandchild - the start of the absolutely terrible trip to France when I was about 11/another when I was 20 - and even the blasted emery board. But the fact of the matter being that, since the year 2000, I have seen/met up with him only five times (and one of those was the funeral of his mother, when he threw a fit - afterwards - becuase I apparently didn't look at him the right way).

So, why it seems that these occasions were a "big deal" - is how few there have been, for starters. But also, in the intervening years, there have been so many many things that have happened, to all parties - but without anything between us, to supplant those usually uncomfortable events - AND the fact, that they ARE "events", by the very nature of being only occasional. Even as a grown-up, I couldn't do much to change the frequency - it was always his timing.

He has said to me that the distance doesn't matter, we "can have a great relationship no matter how far away he lives". But at the same time, believes that I can (could_) have a great relationship with my mother (also not seen her for exactly 9 years) just because she lives on the same land mass!

So yes, I do remember them - because why would I not? It's not really been holding a grudge - certainly about being met at the airport. I have been forced into a position by his judgement of me and no matter what I do, his opinion of me too, is stuck back when I was a troubled teenager, and he couldn't stand the sight of me.

He hates ANY discussion of - well, just about anything; and yet will drag up the past in letters and (until I changed my email) emails, to the point that I was pushed precariously close to the edge (and counselling/therapy really didn't help, In just ended up wallowing). So, on those are occasions we have had lunch ('04, '10, and 2016), there was only one time when we had a nice lunch alone. He always prefers to have the protection of his wife and also my uncle and his wife. In effect, there IS no relationship between him and me - and, over time, I have of course realised that.

So, for what it's worth, that's a (ha ha) summary of my futile attempts to understand on some level, why it is - now - the way it is. It really would not matter what I do, or what I have done over time. Nothing has been done to repair things, even at the shallowest level - it certainly is not all down to not getting to Arrivals on time to meet us.

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Ontheisle · 04/09/2024 12:25
Eskimalita · 04/09/2024 11:34

I think your father is emotionally manipulative.
i think you have some childhood trauma as a result of his behaviour.
i think you need to work out if you want this man (your father) in your life. You aren’t obliged to keep responding to his every whim.
i think you need some counselling to help you work through all this.

FarFarWay · 03/09/2024 23:48

@Yummers8
And I am really doubting your ability to read....

I have many many times thanked posters, taken on board their comments (will act on some of course), and tried in some way to deflect the ones that were comparisons in which I came off badly in some way and yes, outright dismiss the needlessly nasty ones. Which category would yours fit into I wonder.....

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FarFarWay · 03/09/2024 23:45

@WrongSortOfPoster
Right.... even though it is an aspect of my life, I have not really thought about it that way; it does feel as though it has been forced on me rather. It would never be mutual - as I am too pathetic/optimistic/deluded...

So I guess I am estranged from my sister as well. The last time we saw one another I almost literally bumped into her on a bike ride through a National Trist property. We chatted for hours - and I gave her my number, sent her a birthday card the following month - and never heard a thing. I don't doubt [now] that the note with my number went straight in the nearest dog poop bin.

I guess there are levels of estrangement then --- if yours has come about without even any bad feeling to cause it?

There is a lot of backstory with my sister and I that plays a part, so it's understandable that we are "no longer close". We never were in all honesty - but we were ripped away from each other at a very young age. It's amazing that we ever connected at all, but we did for a little while.

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WrongSortOfPoster · 03/09/2024 22:57

@FarFarWay , it means 'no longer close'. It's not something you decide to be.

I can't remember when I last spoke to my sibling. I'd guess it was more than 10 years ago. It's not something I decided to do, we've not AFAIK fallen out,

WrongSortOfPoster · 03/09/2024 22:51

@Yummers8 , what exactly did you gain from posting that? Seriously?

Yummers8 · 03/09/2024 22:48

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HelenWheels · 03/09/2024 19:52

that's hard to come to terms with op@FarFarWay even if it is for the best

FarFarWay · 03/09/2024 19:31

Plumber has been and gone.... I am now £150 poorer., but all things are working as they should.

Now, there's a word; "estranged".... I often wonder what the difference is, if it is not mutual. Then it just seems like disowning.
It is also something that is rarely actually decided, I think (despite all the LC, NC discussions, especially when it comes to Narcissists), bur rather that it comes about over time.
My father does say that we are (now) estranged - but I don't remember deciding or agreeing to that awful thing. It's just a (his) horrible get-out clause.

Just rambling - again. And I don't mind what anyone thinks about this post.

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GRex · 03/09/2024 18:33

I guess the plumber was a lot more punctual than estranged dad.

FarFarWay · 03/09/2024 10:00

For those still "interested" - the story of France, and maybe of The Emery Board, will be incoming shortly.

(while waiting for the Plumber...)

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angeldelite · 03/09/2024 09:29

Yummers8 · 03/09/2024 09:16

Gosh , how rude.
No wonder your trip was a disaster if you brush people off like this.
Your piece is very oddly put together.

You don’t think responding ‘What?’ to a post is rude? You have a very selective idea of polite behaviour.

FarFarWay · 03/09/2024 09:21

CosyLemur · 03/09/2024 07:56

I live 40 minutes from an airport and never leave until the place has landed, there's passport control, luggage to collect etc. If you were through before they got there you'd have only had a few minutes to wait surely

That's nice for you then.

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FarFarWay · 03/09/2024 09:20

Yummers8 · 03/09/2024 09:16

Gosh , how rude.
No wonder your trip was a disaster if you brush people off like this.
Your piece is very oddly put together.

How ridiculous.
Me being entirely fed up of pointless and yet nasty comments, has absolutely nothing to do with how the trip played out. I cannot believe that you even bothered to take the time to write that (and am sure that YOU also are not the same on line vs in person...) - or that I am taking even a moment to respond to it.

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FarFarWay · 03/09/2024 09:18

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If you cannot be bothered to read posts that explain a little more, and even if you do, you want to make a dumb remark like this, you are making yourself look very stupid. And unpleasant. I will not explain further about the tenuous relationship that preceded the visit, which was by insistent invitation after a very long interval - which had not been my choice.. I paid for us to get there (from a student's budget), and for all requirements for both of us.

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Yummers8 · 03/09/2024 09:16

FarFarWay · 27/08/2024 09:52

Well, the title says it all really...
I find it hard to believe you did read it all before asking you question.
And it's quite clear.

Gosh , how rude.
No wonder your trip was a disaster if you brush people off like this.
Your piece is very oddly put together.

CosyLemur · 03/09/2024 07:56

I live 40 minutes from an airport and never leave until the place has landed, there's passport control, luggage to collect etc. If you were through before they got there you'd have only had a few minutes to wait surely

Bumblebeestiltskin · 03/09/2024 07:29

FarFarWay · 02/09/2024 16:46

What the heck are YOU doing on this thread? Your comment is about as (apparently) pointless as the one that I started with.

I am upset, but not that upset.....

Edited

I'm just making sure I don't miss any of the bizarre and random comments 😂

Stephy1886 · 03/09/2024 07:25

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Strugglingforanamechange · 03/09/2024 07:20

FarFarWay · 27/08/2024 09:52

Well, the title says it all really...
I find it hard to believe you did read it all before asking you question.
And it's quite clear.

It’s absolutely not clear!

FarFarWay · 02/09/2024 16:46

Bumblebeestiltskin · 02/09/2024 12:10

You say you're upset about people's opinions on your posts...but you keep coming back with vague, odd comments like this.

What the heck are YOU doing on this thread? Your comment is about as (apparently) pointless as the one that I started with.

I am upset, but not that upset.....

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J3nnyFromTheBlock · 02/09/2024 13:17

HoppingPavlova · 02/09/2024 13:15

@J3nnyFromTheBlock So you’re just tight and inconsiderate?

Who knows, who cares. I’d say sensible, personally.

Once upon a time I used to try and time airport pick ups for when the flight arrived, and estimate customs/baggage (still drive by, as I don’t care how much money I do/don’t have, I’m not giving the airport company the price of a small flat in order to park). I would track flight to make sure it was on track. That ‘consideration’ left me driving around circling for 4 hours as by the time I arrived for drive by, the plane, which had landed on schedule, was still sitting on the tarmac. Everyone still sitting in the plane being told there would be a delay with disembarking. 4 fucking hours. No point turning around, driving home for an hour, then driving back again for an hour, when chances are the minute I turned around they would let them off. 4 fucking hours. If you want to talk ‘inconsiderate’ there’s something to think on, but obviously no fault of the person being picked up, they didn’t want to be stuck in a large tin can any more than I wanted to drive around for 4 hours. So, rather than being right and inconsiderate, I strategised to avoid being stuck in such a shitshow ever again. I don’t exit my front door until I’m told those plane doors have physically opened, and I don’t care who is on the plane. It’s sensible. Maybe you are the type that likes potential shit shows though? Each to their own.

Well no. I’d just plan better.
no need for a shitshow at all.

HoppingPavlova · 02/09/2024 13:15

@J3nnyFromTheBlock So you’re just tight and inconsiderate?

Who knows, who cares. I’d say sensible, personally.

Once upon a time I used to try and time airport pick ups for when the flight arrived, and estimate customs/baggage (still drive by, as I don’t care how much money I do/don’t have, I’m not giving the airport company the price of a small flat in order to park). I would track flight to make sure it was on track. That ‘consideration’ left me driving around circling for 4 hours as by the time I arrived for drive by, the plane, which had landed on schedule, was still sitting on the tarmac. Everyone still sitting in the plane being told there would be a delay with disembarking. 4 fucking hours. No point turning around, driving home for an hour, then driving back again for an hour, when chances are the minute I turned around they would let them off. 4 fucking hours. If you want to talk ‘inconsiderate’ there’s something to think on, but obviously no fault of the person being picked up, they didn’t want to be stuck in a large tin can any more than I wanted to drive around for 4 hours. So, rather than being right and inconsiderate, I strategised to avoid being stuck in such a shitshow ever again. I don’t exit my front door until I’m told those plane doors have physically opened, and I don’t care who is on the plane. It’s sensible. Maybe you are the type that likes potential shit shows though? Each to their own.

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