These teachers and their questionable choices

In the time it took to come and scold? You could have referred to SS. Or drafted an email.

There been no name calling - several people have said your thread seems embellished, because it does.

Your personal experience with your parents? Yeah, that’s shit. I’m sorry. Me too. And it’s left its mark. Don’t use that to justify some sort of witch hunt though - your childhood friend s not the responsibility of these women.

You have gone all holier than thou, yet you still have not taken the advice of so many.
You, on one hand, are adamant these drug-fuelled sessions are occurring, with vague hints that you 'have proof' (which you won't share), but on the other, you don't seem to have the courage of your convictions, statting that "you don't have proof, so no-one will believe you". So, which is it?
Plenty of us have replied saying report, the authorities will find the evidence, you just need to report, but you ignoring those voices.
You wanted an echo chamber, you didn't get quite get it. Rather, you were happy to argue with, or berate, those who disagree with you.
It is so frustrating as a PP to be so robustly told our opinions are wrong because you think you are so right, and tell us we are wrong. Why post in aibu if you don't want to be given alterbnate views

No one was calling anyone names OP, don't play a victim now.
If you think children are being harmed, it's your duty to report it. But again, it seems you have not much evidence of anything. Going to a festival with family is not a crime. Having a party in the garden is not a crime. I dont believe any teacher or anyone else would be so stupid to post evidence of child abuse and put it on sm.

Based on what you have seen and described, you are a bit jaded, don't know why you hate these teachers so much and maybe you dont approve their lifestyles and project your own situation of growing up to something you imagine is happening. (You said you don't want children to be taught when teachers are on a come down, but again no proof this is actually happening?). You need to separate the facts from fiction.

But again, if you do believe crime is happening and children are at risk, it is your duty to report it. No point writing on mn about vague stuff as we dunt know what you saw, but you say you do, so only you can make that decision.

Shocked everyone isn't assembling into a pitchfork weilding mob chanting " burn them, burn them, burn them" based off a second hand rumour that someone somewhere might have done something that you don't approve of. If i were subject of title tattle and poisonous gossip about i did in my free time, I'd knock myself out with whatever opioid i could get my hands on.

Given that a lot of people start teaching in their early 20s, there's a good chance that substantial numbers of teachers will have used recreational drugs over the course of their free time. I am utterly unsurprised and unworried by this. The number of teachers who drop an E before taking double maths or whip out a crack pipe in the staff room. I am realistic enough to realise that teachers don't live the lives of monks and nuns outside of work.

Thank god the internet wasn't around in the 80s when i went to school. I can't imagine how you'd have reacted to teachers when went to school where the staffroom would be a thick fug of smoke and walls would be yellow with nicotine stains and a large gaggle of teachers would go to the pub at dinnertime, belt down three or four pints, teach for the afternoon and then drive home presumably still over the drink drive limit.

Well drugs are illegal whether you can understand it or not and we live in a society where we expect people to obey the law of the land because that is how a functioning society works. We do not get to pick and choose which laws we will obey and which we will ignore. If you don't agree with said laws then you are at liberty to start a campaign to try to change them.

I never said they would be sacked immediately did I ?

The OP has not alleged "excessive drug taking."

If it was Kelly on the council estate I bet the responses would be different.

If it was Kelly on the council estate, I bet you wouldn't have bothered starting a thread.

If you are genuinely concerned that their students and children are in danger, then report them.

Precisely @echt because what the OP really wanted was a good bitch fest about what terrible people these total strangers (to us) are and how saintly she is.

This very much reminds me of The story line of Wicked Little Letters. Is someone doing a creative writing assignment?

This is one of those threads where the OP never gets back to say what they did and what happened as a consequence.

You still haven’t made clear just how you know these thing OP. As I said before, if you are certain this isn’t malicious gossip and have actually seen drug taking with your own eyes then report them.

However, your own personal experience and morality around drinking is not relevant to teacher’s standards, especially since you seem to think that having a drink with friends in your own back garden or attending a festival is immoral and irresponsible. Unless you have more than that to report then I wouldn’t bother.

Still haven't called social services then?

@Singleandproud @SummerFade @Frowningprovidence @SlothOnARope

Thank you for your answers. I can understand your perspectives a bit more now. That’s not to say I agree, but I can at least see why you would have that outlook. I come from a culture where cannabis isn’t a big deal at all (but harder drugs are seen as ‘dirty’ - not a view that I personally hold even though I don’t partake myself). Same with alcohol, even though it’s generally viewed as more harmful than cannabis.

If this was a mum on benefits getting off her face with her mates to “relax” I bet the replies would be very different

Like it or not, teachers have to be much more careful than people in other jobs. In the last school I taught in, a parent made a complaint that they saw a teacher in a local pub seeming "slightly tipsy". Rather than standing up for the teacher (who it turned out wasn',t even drinking anyway)he head's response was if they heard any other such comments, it would be a disciplinary matter. After leaving a party because I wasn't sure if I had seen a parent, I decided it was time to leave that school.

I think you need to behave like a mature adult and exercise at least some caution

Which these teachers may well be doing. We have an OP who moves from “not really that close to them” but has “heard” to “I seen it” after some challenges about being a massive gossip. It’s not very convincing tbh

But we dont know if they even take drugs, if there is a come down at all. OP is projecting these things seemingly on those teachers.

Sorry that my input to this thread has stressed you out so much!

So if you are a law breaking twat it doesn't matter? Which laws do you draw the line at underage sex, GBH or theft ? Come you don't get to pick and choose.

Could you contact the head teachers with your concerns? They will maybe speak to the staff members concerned? I don't know, I don't know if there is a resolution here as technically they are doing it in their own time, and if their managers don't have any concerns with their teaching abilities then I don't know if they would take it further.

I honestly don't know how I feel about this (not the kid falling asleep bit, I don't think that's an issue, but the excessive drug taking) because if my daughters teacher was sober and present whilst she was teaching, and my child was safe and happy and engaged, I can't say that it would be my business what they do on their own time. If it was affecting then whilst they were working then that's not right at all.

Nobody is condoning it.

Just going on statistics where alcohol misuse is a huge burden on the NHS due to the physical effects.

And a huge burden on child social services dealing with parents with alcohol misuse disorders.

And significantly playing a part in violent offending of all types but for MN users, who I feel are particularly concerned about violence against women, is significantly correlated with domestic violence against women, and sexual and homicidal offences against women.

And also plays a part in the likelihood of women becoming a victim of male violence. Of course, the responsibility is always on the offender but many women are victims of male sexual and homicidal violence when they were intoxicated and their awareness of safety and their usual decision making was impaired by alcohol intoxication.

And I am in no way victim blaming, just stating statistical facts. Intoxicated people make different decisions to when they are sober and that is fact.

The biggest issue for me is not the drug taking per se - I have no issue with people letting their hair down at the weekend etc. But if you’re responsible for the well-being of young people, whether at the party or in the days after at work (while on a come down), I think you need to behave like a mature adult and exercise at least some caution

This

Well said.

All those condoning recreational use of drugs and likening it to alcohol are either really ignorant to the damages or choose not to really think about it .

It's an underworld that I hope you never have to encounter.