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To think you don’t do this to a friend?

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latetoset · 26/08/2024 19:01

I arranged to see my best friend this weekend weeks ago. We’d been messaging like we normally do and then she didn’t respond to my last message.

Anyway I followed up on Wednesday to say are we still meeting, but don’t worry if you have forgotten as we planned it so long ago.

I’ve heard absolutely nothing from her. Maybe something has happened but she’s looked at my Instagram stories so she’s still active online.

Thing is as much as I would be disappointed if she couldn’t come, I would have understood her rearranging but just not even acknowledging it. I’ve asked her now if everything this ok and she’s not responded to that either.

I just want to cry. There’s been nothing that’s happened between us, so I think not to find one minute to just let me know is actually quite mean.

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SpiritOfEcstasy · 28/08/2024 17:20

I feel your pain OP. I was friends with one person for forty + years. We went to school together, we had our very first flat together - he’s Godfather to one of my DDs and then one day he just stopped replying to my messages 😞 calls went unanswered. And that was the end of that … I have no idea why. We didn’t have a falling out or disagreement…the last time we met we parted on good terms. I’ve accepted it and moved on but it’s hurtful. I realised with time and space that the friendship only lasted as long as it did because I made the effort …

autienotnaughty · 28/08/2024 06:16

If it got a message saying don't worry if you can't meet I assume the other person doesn't want to meet. I'd have just said "still ok for Saturday 2pm work for you?"

If this is the first time this has happened she may have missed the message but she should have realised by now you were due to meet.

I think I would either message and say "hi everything ok?" Or wait to see if she gets in touch.

Sladuf · 28/08/2024 05:27

sofaofchange · 26/08/2024 19:40

I agree. She's clearly ok and not in a coma or whatever if she's been on social media liking instagram pics etc

Yet she cannot take 10 seconds to text OP- 10 measly seconds to text her friend after she's politely asked twice?

She is no friend. I wouldnt block her but I absolutely would drop the rope completely and see what happens or if she makes an effort to get in touch. If she doesnt then I'd drop her.

I refuse to continually chase people who make zero effort to reply

This is exactly how I see this situation too. OP’s experience reminds me of how a friend I was close to at one point and had an almost 20 year friendship was. Some self-reflection really helped me realise I needed to drop the rope with my friend, who I’ll call Cindy.

My advice to the OP is think back to past experiences with a critical eye and see if you can spot patterns of behaviour. YANBU OP. I think you might have been too forgiving in the past.

In my case Cindy had always been flighty. I’d known her since primary school, we became close friends when we were doing A levels. Cindy applied to do the same course as me at university, which pretty much became an extension of school.

After university Cindy would make plans to catch up when she was coming home for particular weekends but closer to the time would vanish. I’d struggle to get hold of her, much in the same way the OP described with her friend.
At the time I had to work some weekends and so planning to do things on a day/night off only for plans to fall through was aggravating and unfair. Cindy also had a habit of letting the cat out the bag unintentionally and I realised on some occasions had ditched plans to meet up with me to do something else but had lied to me about why she suddenly couldn’t meet up. I was too polite back then and wouldn’t say anything.The times I had confronted her about things previously we’d ended up having huge fights. I therefore didn’t say when she annoyed me to keep the peace a lot of the time. I realise now how stupid that was.

It got to a point where it felt like I was doing all the initiating contact too, so that was a big factor in why I dropped the rope, to see how things developed. I’d also begun to feel Cindy was in a habit of getting in contact with me only when she had nothing better to do when she came home. The last time we made plans Cindy had asked me the evening before were we still on. I’d replied yes and she replied, “great, see you tomorrow.” On the day I arrived but Cindy was a no show. Couldn’t get hold of her. She eventually replied after I’d been hanging around and window shopping to say, “sorry, I met up with [another friend] and lost track of time.” I uncharacteristically replied, “ok, whatever.”

I then did my self-reflection exercise and realised this was the same character trait she’d shown since primary school. I’d changed primary school in Year 4 and initially Cindy wanted to spend time with me, talk to me etc because I was this new person - almost the equivalent of a shiny new object. However, the novelty wore off and Cindy pretty much dropped me. She‘d been really pally with another person and that friendship seemed to be a friendship for life… until Cindy dropped that person during A levels, which was when I seemed to become Cindy’s best mate.

I haven’t spoken to Cindy for 10 years. I was the last person to send a message and it was a friendly one too.

GetDownShepp · 28/08/2024 04:25

AngelsWithSilverWings · 26/08/2024 19:29

If I received the message that you sent I would suspect you were looking to get out of meeting up but were trying to get me to do the actual cancelling rather than you.

I wonder what she would have done if you had just asked if she was still ok to meet up without the whole thing about it being ok if she couldn't.

Paranoid?

suburberphobe · 28/08/2024 01:54

my advice would be to block her number and remove her from your social media.

Gosh, no thought of maybe something has happened or trying to get in touch?
Bet you have lots of friends.

Op, it's shit, but only further down do you mention she has a baby of 1 year old.
That changes the whole dynamic. Babies are brutally full on.

Give her a few days and then send a message asking if everything is all right.

She should have let you know she couldn't make it though.

Meanwhile, find some friends without children. Having a baby is like being hit by a sledgehammer. I couldn't do outings without organising everything around babysitting etc. Which is impossible if breast-feeding, tiredness, being overwhelmed, etc.

I barely saw my non-parent friends for about the first year unless they came to me, it's all good now though.

DreamTheMoors · 28/08/2024 01:37

You think this is bad?
My lifelong best friend ditched me in Mexico and I had to hitchhike 85+ miles back to San Diego with multiple strangers.
And the really shitty thing is she died from cancer and I miss her.
Women can be awful, @latetoset— I’m sorry.
They’re the biggest flakes on earth and they abuse us and use us and still we love them.
Tell her her shitty behaviour should be reserved for those she has no respect for — and if that means you? Well, at least you’ll know.
Tell her that if she wants a friend, she darn well better BE a friend.

Jeannie88 · 28/08/2024 00:05

Aligirlbear · 26/08/2024 19:15

You could phone ?

What a novel idea lol, then we would actually know for sure! Xx

Thistlewoman · 27/08/2024 23:44

latetoset · 26/08/2024 19:20

We used to talk on the phone a lot but now she has a baby it’s rare.

Baby is 1 now. And honestly if she couldn’t get a babysitter then absolutely fine, my issue isn’t her not going. My issue is the ghosting.

But anyway my point is that I don’t feel comfortable randomly calling her anymore because she’ll be busy with her baby, or I’d worry I’m interrupting family time.

My advice? Cut and dump. She's not a real friend if she can't even be bothered to message.

Kjpt140v · 27/08/2024 20:20

Why don't people telephone these days. Talk!

sunseaandsoundingoff · 27/08/2024 19:18

People are just weird, I had one person unfriend me on Facebook but then they viewed all my Instagram stories and they're still following me on there viewing my stories. So weird.

Pantaloons99 · 27/08/2024 18:49

OP - blimmin eck honestly. How have you kept your sanity after some of these replies.

You've handled it absolutely fine. Your texts were nice, understanding and not too pushy. You already know not to call her. You'll get fobbed off, you'll look weak. Come
out with your dignity and you'll be pleased about that in the long term. You will also leave it on good terms should you reconnect.

You know what to do now. You drop it. Don't initiate anymore chat. Don't ask what's wrong, don't call. Don't block or unfriend.

But I find social media is some form of torture in these situations and is there a way to mute people or something like that so you don't have to deal with that added kick in the teeth.

People can change dramatically when baby comes along. It isn't about you being a bad person I guarantee it

I know it hurts 🙏❤️

Oldster1933 · 27/08/2024 18:13

Call her then you will know one way or the other.

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sofaofchange · 27/08/2024 06:33

latetoset · 26/08/2024 23:03

Bingo. She’s done exactly that.

Being honest I am annoyed still. I’m actually tired of putting in effort. I would never read her message double checking we were meeting and just ignore it. She couldn’t give a shit her actions made me feel terrible.

Drop the rope OP. It's her turn to make the effort now. I wouldnt bother initiating any further meet ups.

If she is genuine sorry she will try wont she? If she doesnt then you know exactly where you stand.

Allwatchedoverbytrees · 27/08/2024 02:03

I'd call her and if she doesn't answer then I'd send a text saying
"Hi! Thought we were supposed to meet at the weekend or did I get confused? If I'm not confused and you didn't come, I hope everything is OK? I'm always a phone call away if you need support'

And then either she will reply explaining that she thought you meant it was OK to not turn up when you texted. Or that something has happened that's bad and she's overwhelmed.
Or she won't reply at all.
If she doesn't reply at all then I'd wait a few weeks.
If she still hasn't replied and there's no evidence anything is serious wrong then I'd write her off as a bitch and no longer your friend. And I'd block her number and carry on with my life.
Unless there's some evidence she's ill or her child is ill or someone close to her has died or is in hospital or something serious like that. In that case I'd just let it go, and give her space until she maybe decides she has the strength to reply. Perhaps send a 'how are you doing? Hope youre ok' text every week or so, so she knows you care.

I don't think you can assume she's just a bad person without actually investigating what's gone on here.

I mean if it were me I'd be genuinely worried something awful had happened to her or in her life. It's very strange to just not turn up then not reply to messages. That's not a sign everything is OK with someone usually is it?

paradisecircus · 27/08/2024 00:18

Not replying to the odd text doesn't sound like that big a deal to me - bit flaky perhaps, but certainly not a friendship dealbreaker, especially with someone you see as your best friend. She could have all sorts of things going on that have got in the way. It sounds like there might be some bigger issue for you though - have you any reason to think she might be withdrawing from your friendship?

latetoset · 26/08/2024 23:44

Doingmybest12 · 26/08/2024 23:27

I get that it's disappointing , but unless there is more history to it I'd assume there was an issue in her life. If she's just returned to work maybe things are a bit stressful. I'm not sure about your message including 'if you've forgotten' , there were other ways to say , is it still OK with her to go out but no problem if not. I'd give her the benefit of the doubt.

I’ve reread my text and I didn’t say if she forgot, I said if she couldn’t now then it’s ok as we planned it so long ago.

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Doingmybest12 · 26/08/2024 23:27

I get that it's disappointing , but unless there is more history to it I'd assume there was an issue in her life. If she's just returned to work maybe things are a bit stressful. I'm not sure about your message including 'if you've forgotten' , there were other ways to say , is it still OK with her to go out but no problem if not. I'd give her the benefit of the doubt.

FFSWherearemyglasses · 26/08/2024 23:16

That’s a really shit thing to do. I’m sorry your friend let you down.
what was her excuse?

latetoset · 26/08/2024 23:03

Noseybookworm · 26/08/2024 22:52

There's really no excuse for her to ignore your messages and not let you know that she couldn't make it. I would leave the ball in her court now and wait until she contacts you again. I bet she'll send you a sorry text with a feeble excuse.

Bingo. She’s done exactly that.

Being honest I am annoyed still. I’m actually tired of putting in effort. I would never read her message double checking we were meeting and just ignore it. She couldn’t give a shit her actions made me feel terrible.

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Noseybookworm · 26/08/2024 22:52

There's really no excuse for her to ignore your messages and not let you know that she couldn't make it. I would leave the ball in her court now and wait until she contacts you again. I bet she'll send you a sorry text with a feeble excuse.

Relaxd · 26/08/2024 22:20

If it’s your best friend I’d assume you know her pretty well and can use your judgement here on what to do. Natural to be hurt though when someone forgets or doesn’t respond but I’d give my best friend the benefit of the doubt. Those who sugggets to block and go no contact are over reacting. Having one’s feelings temporarily hurt doesn’t really equate to never speaking again. But obviously it’s possible your friendship isn’t perhaps what it used to be.

Seasidesunn · 26/08/2024 22:05

I’d text her, say you hope she’s ok and to get in touch if she wants to. But I’d do that for my own sake of knowing I’d done the best I could.
It’s horrible but I’ve had several friends drop me when they became mums, they all became very focused on their identity as a mum and decided they only needed mum friends despite us being long term close friends. I’ve noticed they often start with the behaviours people describe as precious first born, like not announcing the birth normally, having lots of rules about the baby and being very self centred.
It really hurts as the friend but I think it’s complex and definitely about your friend not you.

LikeWeUsedToBe · 26/08/2024 21:19

What's her relationship with her partner like? I'm influenced by my own history but I was cut off from friends by an abusive ex and I know it would have looked like ghosting to them. If this is a friendship you value and want to keep them send a message saying you can see something has gone awry here and as she's not replying then you will leave the ball in her court but you will be here as a friend should she need even if it's months or years time. Just because by the time i personally realised I had to leave my ex had so effectively wiped out those who would support me it I fear for other women in this situation and no one knows.

HerewegoagainSS · 26/08/2024 21:04

latetoset · 26/08/2024 19:20

We used to talk on the phone a lot but now she has a baby it’s rare.

Baby is 1 now. And honestly if she couldn’t get a babysitter then absolutely fine, my issue isn’t her not going. My issue is the ghosting.

But anyway my point is that I don’t feel comfortable randomly calling her anymore because she’ll be busy with her baby, or I’d worry I’m interrupting family time.

I might have known…

so sorry OP. This is nasty and immature. Why should you be doing all the chasing?

be nice to yourself. Plan something nice to do/get your favorite food in etc. Being let down by friends is just horrible.

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