Mums of sons. (Hard hat on for this)

Also, men are approximately 230 times more likely to be raped by another man than they are to be falsely accused of sexual assault.

You really do seem to be regurgitating a lot of red pill rhetoric.

But that could have easily been a male friend.

You have different worries about a son to a daughter. But getting accused by drunk person of assault and not being charged could happen to either sex by either sex.

I don’t get why that story would make you especially concerned about men?

Even when women are assaulted by men they are rarely charged. Have you seen the young women who was hit by a man in Nando’s recently. He hit her with a plate. The police were right there. And didn’t even take the man’s details and let him leave. Then proceeded to spend an hour trying to get the girl to not press charges. When she complained their supervisor stood up for them and said it was a simple mistake but wouldn’t let her press charges. Only when it hit social media have the police apologised and started investigating it. There was CCTV! And then still didn’t do anything. They didn’t even take his name or any details. And they accused her of probably being rude IE ‘it was your fault a grown man hit you with a plate’.

If you are worried about your children or future children not getting fair treatment by the police or justice system, it’s mainly your girls you need to worry about.

I do have a son. I feel the same way.

@Daniagainagainagainagain

Do you personally know any woman who has been killed by their partner?

You said this to a poster who noted that every three days a woman is killed by a man.

Can I ask why you responded that way?

Do you not believe that statistic? Is the statistic somehow less valid to you if shared by a poster who doesn't personally know a women who has been killed by their partner?

Genuinely, what was your reasoning behind that being your response to someone sharing a chilling and proven statistic about the rates at which women are being murdered by men?

If someone posted on this thread that X number of women are raped each week in the UK, would you respond "do you personally know any women who have been raped?"

OP, PLEASE just hit "quote" when replying to a specific user.

You seem to be cut and pasting which makes it look like you are saying what we said and then we are replying to ourselves.

It makes it very difficult to keep track.

I think it might do. Just like some people whose racism is challenged flee into the open arms of fascists, some men whose sexism is challenged flee into the open arms of misogynists. But the problem isn’t the challenge, it’s the failure to appreciate privilege and fragility in the face of challenge.

Others on this thread have already said it so I won't repeat it. But sometimes you really do need to look at the under tone/layer of a post rather than take everything at face value. Some people can't but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that the ones who see it are being mean or OTT.

I think most mothers protective instinct for their offspring is different. Whilst they do not agree or like certain behaviour, it is their child nonetheless and a protective wall goes up, because criticism of him shows up his family inc yourself.

No. Any more than I worry that the tidal wave of violence against women will make them go out on the streets looking for men to stab.

Oh i feel the exact same! people are veryy quick to be very judgy towards any man, but the moment that same scenario is turned around and it is a woman, they're always much more lenient. Guess its just part of being the most hated person right now. White, cisgender male.
I know i'll get so much hate, but i sometimes feel like we take all the blame off the woman. Doesn't matter what she did, her dh/boyfriend is an absolute jerk! LTB!

Good for you, and I'm glad you managed to escape. But my point is that sometimes a woman who has been abused in one relationship can miss signs in other people's relationships so your post saying that MN can come across as extreme with all the LTB, and "man hatred" is actually you still having the blinkers on. You are not there yet.

I think it probably does make young men more susceptible to that sort of thing. Let's be honest: the "white people are the devil" trope that some leftists have been pushing in recent years has probably pushed some white people further to the right. I'd be surprised if the same isn't happening with young men.

I think that everyone should be judged as an individual and it’s idiotic to do anything else.

There’s a group of fourth wave feminists on here who seem to take over every thread relating in any way to men as a group, and no-one is allowed to argue.

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My (now adult) stepson’s mother was a very vocal “men are useless” type person, based on her own upbringing and relationships I guess, where the men did seem to have let her down with depressing regularity. I found it really odd when she would slag off men in front of her young son - the penny never seemed to drop, she just didn’t see him as a future man I don’t think? Now as an adult, he just rolls his eyes at her and laughs. I guess it’s easier to tell in real life the difference between occasional frustration and genuine hatred.

Do people wonder if misandry, generalisations about men (as the song goes) and men-hating might make impressionable young minds more susceptible to the likes of Andrew Tate and his ilk?

Or even less susceptible for that matter?

You see that's funny because I get on better with people who don't have preconceived notions about someone based on their sex. I doubt we'd get on at all in RL because I don't have a penis. Personally, I prefer to base my judgement of people on their personalities rather than whether they have a Y chromosome or not, but I guess that's just me.

But when they are home they can still parent their child. They can model decent, respectful male behaviour to their sons. A lot of men work long hours, come home and demand their dinner and berate their wives for the state of the house and then fuck off down the gym for a few hours. Their sons are watching and learning. Others come home and pick up the slack and speak kindly and respectfully to their wives. Their sons are watching and learning too.

One common theme that riles me is the insistence women never stop their children from seeing their dads.
They do, parental alienation is real, I've seen the torment caused when a woman uses her children as weapons. I know personally of 2 men who took their own lives because of this

But you see time and time again it must just be that the men couldn't be bothered to fight to see their children. Of course this happens, but so does the opposite

One of my brother's put up with a lot off his ex wife. We got on ok with her just didn't like the way she spoke to him. I remember one time they were at our house DN was sat on her knee. She's there Brian Brian can you tuck her vest in. Brian can you do this do. I know there was one time she told him to bath the baby after he just got home from working a night shift. He told me about another time she sent him upstairs to get some socks for niece. Every pair he brought down weren't right. If he was there he had to do it. But it was her that wanted a divorce she met someone else. She did him a favour she's still with him and they had a child. Best of it is we think she was put off having anymore DC with my brother because my two and my other brother's two children are all on the autistic spectrum. But the child she had with the other bloke has autism.

but alienating half the population (and any woman who has brothers/sons for that matter) is not the answer and it sure as shit doesn't help women's rights

I have a son and I am not in the least bit alienated by most discussions on MN, though I haven't seen the thread that OP refers to.