For hating the new bottle tops

THIS! ^ I am getting sick to death of thoughtless obnoxious comments on this thread (from a few posters) who don't seem to give a flying fuck about people with disabilities and different physical conditions, that mean they REALLY struggle with these bottles. 'Oh get yourself a reusable water bottle' some people are bleating! What if someone is out and about and they buy a bottle of water or another drink and they have this ghastly lid on? They may have the reusable bottle but they still have to contend with the attached lid, and have to open it/snap it off (before the water can go into the reusable bottle.)

And what about orange juice and other bottles you will keep in the fridge for the family? Are we meant to decant everything into separate bloody 'reusable' bottles now? If the GOVERNMENT/powers-that-be care so much about this shit, they should support and fund shops that sell stuff where you can fill up your own container or bottle in the shop, and dispense with ALL plastic packaging!

Not so long ago, we were asked to put them in the recycling separately, as the plastics are different!

I hate them too. I rip them off, and then have cut my skin on the plastic.

Don't get me started on the vacuum packed steak. The tags never work, so you end up stabbing the packaging with knives or scissors and getting blood everywhere.

Maybe ask your occupational therapist? The mechanism of popping the lid back doesn’t require much force, perhaps they can show you how to do it.

Deeply annoying to the people in my family with dyspraxia and sensory issues who can't focus on drinking with the additional lid in the way. You can't put it up in the middle because noses, and any other way is off balance.
Both children have hypermobility in their hands which causes them to be weaker than average.

I have to yank the bloody things off to drink which turns out to be bad for the environment in additional serviette wastage...

I always put the caps back on in the first place so this hasn't solved any problem anyway and just increases use of other consumables.

Ring pulls were a practical positive change. No more snapping off half-way up.

@HungryLittleCrocodile

"SOME people are quite capable of making sure the lids go in the recycle bin as well as the bottles"

I think the point of the new lid is that they are still attached to the bottle as they are more difficult to recycle separately.
I've always screwed the lids back on anyway.

They do need to come up with a different design though!

(If you don't screw the lid back on when you put the bottle in the recycling, wouldn't the dregs of the drink make your bag/box/bin all sticky and unpleasant?)
No because I rinse bottles then let them dry before recycling.

Care to show someone with athrogryposis how to do it?

I actually didn't realise until the new bottle tops appeared that the lids were recyclable. I'd always heard you had to put the bottle in the recycling minus the lid so used to ensure I took them off and put the bottle in the recycling and the lid in the normal bin. At work we had someone who collected the lids for some sort of charity thing, because they apparently weren't recyclable. If I'd been told years ago the lid was recyclable I'd had have been recycling them with the bottles.

Ok- maybe you could ask somebody to show you how to push the lid into place? You shouldn’t be having to hold it back in order to drink from the bottle. I can see why it would be difficult to drink from if you haven’t popped it into place. It doesn’t require much force (much less than that needed to open the bottle)

We’re very much talking about the same ones.

Hate them. On paper/card milk cartons the twist just takes the cardboard packet with them and it’s virtually impossible to open some now.

I’m not sure that we’re talking about the same bottle caps. The ones I’m talking about don’t require holding back, the lids whilst still attached just pop backwards and stay in place under very little pressure.

Try getting confused and drinking out of the lid instead of the bottle! Never happened to me, nope, never...

Exactly this and if you accidentally get them at the wrong angle they slop all over the place.

Presumably the people who came up with this ridiculous idea and / or designed them don't use them.

I has most of a 2l bottle of lemonade go flat recently because we couldn't get the stupid lid to go back on properly even after we'd given up and snapped it off..

They incite an irrational rage.. all because some pathetic lazy idiots can't be arsed to bin tops

The design that keeps ring pulls on cans is fine but these are hopeless

Do you see how angry people get when you take a commonly polluting item and make it marginally less polluting? They lose their minds. Can you imagine if anyone suggested banning plastic bottles altogether?

I always crush the bottle and screw the lid back on to reduce the volume.
But regarding the posts that suggest loose caps are not sortable/recoverable why can't recycling companies come up with a solution instead of the burden being passed onto the whole population?

From a recycling/health point of view... yes... the lids may have been a problem...

But is the fact that we're using billions of bottles not a bigger concern in the first place?

And the fact that for the most part bottled water is a marketing con... and fizzy drinks are actually a 100% luxury item that no one actually needs (although I do love a 7up Zero!!).

Paper straws are another level of stupid. Lots of glue dissolved in my drink, no thanks

This is what’s known as ‘innovation’ in capitalist systems, now the lids get recycled with the bottles, yes thanks so much really saving the planet there, all those bottle tops were the things really destroying the environment. Makes virtually zero impact to the problem of plastic waste, a prime example of tokenistic greenwashing. We can all continue guzzling Fanta with a clear conscience, corporate pats on the back and dividends all round.

This it is a false comparison, probably the best example I have read for a while.

The new cans were far easier to operate when they were introduced, the lever action is more efficient and comfortable. I go to countries which still use ring pulls and am always surprised how much harder they can be. So that example was a win win for both consumer and environment.

These days it seems like no-one cares if the consumer loses out. All means are justified by the end

They are very irritating. They also make me retroactively irritated with all the idiots who weren't recycling the lids with the bottles in the first place and whose fault it is that we've been landed with inferior products.

(If you don't screw the lid back on when you put the bottle in the recycling, wouldn't the dregs of the drink make your bag/box/bin all sticky and unpleasant?)

I don't have a problem with them except the big lumpy bit on the side hurts my delicate hand when i try unscrewing it and sometimes i struggle getting it lined up right to screw back on, i test by squeezing the bottle a bit and if its solid i know its worked if it squeezes a bit of air out i know its not lined up so redo it. I was thrilled the day i discovered the bend lid back to snap in place though.

They’re completely different, they’re a third shallower, the mechanism to open them is completely different, the mechanism to drink from is completely different, the mechanism to close them is completely different. They’re too shallow to be used with a disability aid, they can’t be used by those with only one functioning arm/hand, they’re aren’t any devices that can keep them held open allowing you to drink from them, and there aren’t any devices available that can place the lid back on securely and then tighten it.

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And? We're telling you we struggle with them.