To not have known that deli chicken is a level 1 carcinogen

I've found a few things Yuka say are okay.

It's a real bind for me as I have one DC with really strict dietary requirements (no / very low sugar - not diabetic but they have to follow no / low sugar diet for life) poor DC also has an egg allergy, is intolerant to dairy (not allergic but they reach point with dairy where it makes them refluxy. We can only give one portion of dairy a day) and the school has banned all nut butters. It's very limiting all round.

Thankfully from that article “A spokesperson for the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board (AHDB) said the vast majority of beef and dairy cattle in the UK were “grazing outdoors throughout the year for as long as the weather conditions permit”.”

If every generation is sicker than the one before, how come each generation is living longer?

I was comparing those with our packets of sliced ham and chicken etc, the one's people buy for their kids sandwiches.

Both types of sliced meat are classed as group 1 carcinogens. We don’t know whether one is any better than the other.

Antibiotics in feed was banned in the UK
Routine use was not banned in the UK but it has been reduced over the last 10 years.

The EU have had an outright ban since 2022. The UK isn't covered by this ban. Exported meat to the EU has to comply, home sold meat doesn't.

Sardines, banana, tomato, Marmite, cheese, avocado, carrot and cream cheese, egg and lettuce and any of those.

Quick grill, then boil chicken thighs and mix with mayo.

Ah, ‘chemicals’ and ‘natural’. That’s the end of any worthwhile discussion of food safety, nutrition and food production.

Yes I know Italian and Spanish cured meats are available in the UK.

I was comparing those with our packets of sliced ham and chicken etc, the one's people buy for their kids sandwiches. There is a big difference in how it is produced and the chemicals added.
Yes they are both processed,
There is a difference between one processed food and another processed food.
The bread I make at home is a processed food but it is vastly different in chemical composition to the cheap white sliced loaf I can buy.

You know this, so why are you labouring this discussion?

Indeed, routine antibiotic use in farming is banned in the UK and EU.

Sadly it is happening . . .

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/18/uk-has-more-than-1000-livestock-mega-farms-investigation-reveals

This just isn't true. We import most pork from Denmark.

You were talking about Spanish and Italian 'proper cured meats' which are all available for sale here, not pork in general. Serrano ham, chorizo, parma ham, saucisse sèche, Milano ham, prosciutto crudo etc.

Meats can be cured with chemicals or naturally.
There is a difference in the added chemicals.

They are considered carcinogenic no matter what they're cured with. Look it up.

But you go ahead and eat it and feed it to your family and friends if you like.
The rest of us will make our own choices thanks.

I'm vegetarian.

Not beef and lamb from the UK. Maybe in the US (I don’t know) but I’m from a farming background I don’t recognise this.

This just isn't true. We import most pork from Denmark.

Meats can be cured with chemicals or naturally.
There is a difference in the added chemicals.
I'd place bets on the modern added chemicals being bad for human health if eaten regularly over time. Especially by children who are growing and developing.

Just a hunch.

But you go ahead and eat it and feed it to your family and friends if you like.
The rest of us will make our own choices thanks.

This a good quote "As Peter Cleave, Surgeon Captain, (1906-1983) said: “For a modern disease to be related to an old fashioned food is one of the most ludicrous things I have ever heard in my life.” To think that real meat, or meat preserved in natural ways, is bad for us is ludicrous. 1) You’d have to explain how we survived the past 3.5 million years, since Australopithecus Lucy first walked upright; especially how we survived the ice age(s). 2) You’d have to explain why all the nutrients we need to live (essential fats, complete protein, vitamins and minerals) are found in meat if it were trying to kill us at the same time."

I totally disagree with this 'quote'.

The industrial produced meat we eat now bears little resemblance to the meat eaten for the last 3.5 million years.
Animals are bred large scale, indoors with no access to grass or natural food. They are fed foods they would not naturally eat, are preloaded with antibiotics to prevent illness and bred with unnatural sizes of desirable meat parts.
These animals are stressed, unwell and do not have the natural body compositions of the animals our great grandparents would have eaten.
They are consumed in larger quantities by humans than ever before in history.

I eat meat so I'm not trying to fly a flag or anything.

But we need to be realistic. This is in no way natural these days.

What do you mean proper cured meats? It doesn't matter whether they're cured with nitrates, smoke, salt or whatever else, or how long they're cured for, meat preserved like this is considered processed meat. Most of the cured pork on our supermarket shelves comes from Spain anyway.

I'm pretty sure the Spanish and Italians eat proper cured meats, hung for months etc.

Not the doused with stabilisers crap we have on the supermarkets shelves.
They would laugh at our 'ham'.

I saw a programme but do not remember the exact stats, it was however a nought point something difference between those that ate bacon and ham and those that did not for getting colorectal cancer. Very small.

Spanish and Italians eat tons of ham and always have done, I would say it is part of a true Mediterranean diet.

It has made me think though OP.
I switched to roast beef and deli chicken for sandwiches to avoid ham. I am going to check the packets now and maybe change it up.

I read that article and don't understand how eating lean red meat would raise risk of Diabetes. I am eating a lot of it at the moment as it's one of the few ways I lose weight, so steak about 4 times a week.

I'll cut down in a couple of months because of the colon cancer risk, but diabetes -- no, don't get it.

Who is crying? I think there are lots of twats on
Mumsnet but I choose to be here so if I don’t like it, I’m the dickhead. If there was an event held in your local town, would you stick your head in, decide it wasn’t for you, then before you leave find the organiser and tell them it was shite?

The level of cognitive dissonance in this thread. Waaaaa waaa. Bloody hell. A bit of info about food and everyone is crying. There are people dying of famine being raped in Sudan and a bit of news about bloody chicken makes everyone cry on here.

get the app

What about oat milk? Breakfast cereals?

Well damn... I've been buying Tesco Finest chicken slices hoping these were better. I guess not. What about Passata? Tinned lentils and pulses?

I've got no time during weekdays to cook whole chickens and soak beans and lentils and make my own sauces from vine tomatoes every day :'(

According to BBC Good Food it’s considered a UPF but is really good for you in moderation.

We go to Spain a lot and are absolutely sick to death of ham/pork, cheese, olives and bread by the time we get back!