To be horrified by fire attack on Jewish synagogue in France by pro Palestinian terrorist

Thanks for the advice. I literally replied once, which I think is the nature of chat forums. So 'leave her alone' isn't really relevant, unless you think nobody should ever reply to anyone else?

I disagree. Although I agree that a lot of Westerners think it’s about land. This is, in my opinion, due to lack of understanding of the history and cultures of the region.

The desire to annihilate Israel as a country is genocidal in its nature. It’s against the people. ‘From the river to the sea’ really doesn’t mean ‘let’s try to persuade all the Jewish people to move somewhere else or share access to their land’. In fact, since 1948 Israel has repeatedly offered Palestine a two state solution in various forms, all of them have been rejected.

Hamas openly admits one of its aims is to annihilate the Jewish people (see their 1988 manifesto) and prevent any peaceful coexistence in the region.
(https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/08/no-one-can-deny-hamas-aim-is-to-kill-jews-it-fully-admits-it/) IMHO, whoever cares about Palestinian people should want to see Hamas destroyed.

In my opinion, the anti-Jewish sentiment that fuels the hatred towards Israel today predates its existence as a state.

“The energy and outrage Jews generate — making up 0.2 percent of the world population — is oddly disproportionate. Antisemitism is a wild, irrational eruption.”
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/29/wolpe-hatred-jews/

Just a shame so many people in the West cannot see where it came from and where it’s heading.

Well when you have one parent from the north and one parent from the south. Thats how we roll.in our household . But hey Ho - each to their own!
i so feel your kinda just nit picking now!
Have a good evening as I take my evening stroll on Derrynane beach! Slainte!

The Church of Scotland might not need security but Christians are still the most persecuted religion in the world. Not sure what your point is here?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/why-is-christian-persecution-often-met-with-indifference-20240124-p5ezps.html

No one should be persecuted for their religion, including Christians.

Ah for goodness sake, stop being an eejit and leave her alone. She meant Ireland as opposed to Northern Ireland, that's plain to see. (I'm a person of the South myself)

I agree. Hamas don’t want to co-exist peacefully. They want to erase all Jews, not only Israeli ones. Given that, a one state solution is never going to be accepted by Netanyahu. That’s understandable. It feels pretty personal to all Jews and it is more than land.

Nope, as an Irish person 'of the South' neither I, nor anyone I've ever met, including my rather large extended family, has ever referred to Ireland as 'Southern Ireland'. If that's what you call our country, go for it. But don't tell me what 'people of the South' call it, as you clearly haven't a clue.

And yes, I'm well aware that Northern Ireland (an actual country) is part of the UK. But go raibh maith agat for the education.

It's sad that Synagogues have needed security for years and years, I remember back in the 80's that a synagogue in / around Hampstead Garden Suburb had their men on duty.

I saw a couple of months ago that a Synagogue off the Finchley Road had security, at the entrance to the road and at the building itself.

It's not right that British people do not feel safe at their places of worship.

I am 100% sure that the Church of Scotland where I grew up does not have security before / during / after their weekly services.

Absolutely. Many, many Jews disagree with the actions of the Israeli government too.

When incidents like this happen, however, it does reinforce the need for Jewish people to have somewhere they feel safe.

Most people who are "pro Palestine" want to see that area and Israel merged together into one state. The result of that would be absolutely murderous so it is understandable why people equate Pro-Palestinian when anti-semitic.

It’s absolutely awful what happened. Please let’s not equate ‘pro Palestinian’ with antisemitic, the vast vast majority of people who support Palestinian freedom do not think that way. It hurts to see that people might think I hate Jews just because I disagree with Israel’s actions.

Absolutely appalling, but no longer surprising unfortunately.

Violence by extreme Islamists in France has been getting worse for some years, against Christians as well as Jews.

During the Second World War Algerian Muslims in France helped shelter Jews from the holocaust, now we are here.

The fact that some people on Mumsnet are okay with synagogues being bombed is a depressing sign of the times.

Incredibly sad.

It's really obvious which schools are Jewish. Any school that has security guards, large concrete walls all around it - it's a Jewish school.

They're the only schools that need this level of security from terrorist attacks.

Sorry the Republic of Ireland - as Northern Ireland is part of the Uk
so it is commonly referred to as southern Ireland by the Irish people of the south .

Yes

The Jewish people have always tried to fit in and keep their heads down in the Uk

@Itsallfunngamesuntil

"Places of worship, regardless of religion, should be sacrosanct"

No more so than shops, concerts or railway stations. Or houses.

Agree with this.

Although my opinion is that the conflict in the ME is about land and who has the right to it.

YANBU, surely that is the obvious answer. And anyone who says otherwise, needs their head examined.

I would also hope that people don’t end up thinking everyone who supports the Palestinian cause automatically hates Jewish people (which is invariably what I think a lot of people think and then we end up in an even worse place). Terrible terror incidents like this help no one and do not help any cause.

I just wanted to say hanks for your support. It's very sweet and much appreciated.

Our (Jewish state primary) school has added extra paid guards in recent months as well as a handful of parent volunteers to stand guard on the route to school during drop off and pick up times to make sure the kids are safe and to report any dodgy-looking people to the real guards. We also have multiple bomb sweeps at school a day. With two kids at school we now pay over £3000 a year for security. Again, this is a state school so should be free but needs must.

Yanbu

This is not being dealt with well by politicians and we are seeing volatility in western countries

I'm sorry for those who feel unsafe

I agree. However I also think that nobody should be killing anyone else, whatever their religious or other beliefs and sadly, it is an all too common occurrence, and has been going on a very long time.

Where? 'Southern Ireland' is not a country.

Mélenchon is the French version of Jeremy Corbyn.

I’m so sorry @PurpleChrayn 😢

Is there any chance of organising a self-defence group in the community? I’m not Jewish but would volunteer to keep an eye on the local synagogue and the people attending if I was asked to. I bet many other people would too.

Jewish people have been the most persecuted group and it hurts so much to see antisemitism on the rise again. Like we have learnt nothing.

I wish you and your family all the strength and peace.

I’m so sorry that this is happening.

This is exactly what I’m talking about, Jewish people seem to live under this cloud of threat. Security at places of worship, schools ffs why should any school have to get security!?

If any other group of people had to get security for their place of worship there would be a big fuss.