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Himitsu · 25/08/2024 12:13

Currently at a festival with husband, dd10 and ds2.

Dd10 is refusing to leave the tent. Doesn’t want to go to the festival (that she really wanted to come to!)

We have paid for activities that she wanted to do today and we are currently just sat here. Short of physically manhandling her I’m not sure what to do. Toddler is bored and wants to go and see stuff. Husband is going to take him down in a bit but means I’m stuck here with moody 10 year old and I’m really pissed off. She’s saying her head hurts (it only hurts when she’s doesn’t want to do something funnily enough).

What would you do in this situation? She just had a lovely birthday party, lovely gifts and this was part of it. She just manages to ruin almost every day we out we have when she doesn’t get her own way. Shes generally a lovely girl but lately had really ramped up with the laziness and defiance. Trying not to fall out and ruin our last day here but in half tempted to just pack up and go.

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Lovemusic82 · 25/08/2024 19:52

teenagersuntangled · 25/08/2024 18:56

I’d say she’s not giving you a hard time, she’s having a hard time. She’s probably feeling overwhelmed but doesn’t know how to express it, which is very common for young, hormonal kids.

I would say, ‘I am so sorry you’re not feeling good. Are you able to say what it is?’ If she can’t, then say, ‘I think you are feeling overwhelmed and that it’s probably best if we just pack up and get you home so that you can decompress.’

She might brighten up when she doesn’t feel pressure, or she might really want to go home. We’ve all anticipated the excitement of something and found - when we’re confronted the reality of it - that it’s all too much. She’s ten, it’s really normal.

Don’t shame her or fight it, just cope with the disappointment and cut your losses.

This. Maybe she is overwhelmed, festivals are busy and noisy? Maybe she does have a head ache?

We went to a festival last year and it was pretty overwhelming at times, we would go walk around for a bit then return back for some time out. My dd1 has always struggled with lots of people, she’s now older so I can leave her on her own to sulk.

I would just talk to her, ask her what the problem is, if it’s a head ache offer pain killers and plenty of water, let her rest and take it in turns to sit with her. If she’s just being grumpy and awkward then maybe suggest going home if she’s not going to join in?

Dibbydoos · 25/08/2024 19:52

Can anyone come and collect her?

If so, don't ask them but tell her you'll ask abc to come and get her then. You, her dad and sibling are staying to have fun.

Pack her stuff up not yours.

Kids can be AHs. I hope she snaps out of it.

IReallyStillCantBeBothered · 25/08/2024 19:47

Ponderingwindow · 25/08/2024 16:56

So this trip was about you, your desires, and your needs. Your statement that she wanted to attend was perhaps not what it originally appeared. This festival was not your 10 year olds idea, it was yours. Your child “agreed” because she had to.

don’t be these parents . I had these parents . They suck. They suck so bad. They drag their children on holiday and outings for themselves without any consideration for the personalities (or medical needs) of their actual children.

Thankfully they do ditch you the first chance they get because everyone is miserable about the situation. Then you don’t do anything again until you are an adult, because only your parent's interests matter.

Wow that’s some serious projecting. Sounds like you have unresolved issues to work through.

You didn’t even ask any clarifying questions before jumping to conclusions that she is a parent that sucks just like your parents were. You don’t even know what type of festival it is but you’ve already concluded it’s only for adults and they are forcing her to go.

EmoIsntDead · 25/08/2024 19:40

Himitsu · 25/08/2024 18:47

Yes she does karting and is a big fan of motor sports (as are we!)

Stop the karting until she’s paid back a portion of the cost of the festival. You decide how much.

stichguru · 25/08/2024 19:37

I think you need to try to find out what's wrong.

  • is she anxious in crowds?
  • is she actually unwell?
  • does noise bother her?
  • is she about to start menstruation?
It seems unlikely that she wanted to come to the festival and then just wants to sit it out for no reason. It seems way more likely that something is bothering her, that she either doesn't want to tell you, or doesn't know how to explain. I really feel sad for kids with how many of these types of posts on Mumsnet have comments like "make her go" or "she doesn't get to ruin the family's plans". In my experience, a child or teen who was enthusiastic about something and then decides they hate it, is usually struggling and it is our jobs as mum's do find out why and support that child, not heap on the disapproval.
Cosyblankets · 25/08/2024 19:29

So what happens to the money you paid for the activities that she wanted to do? Do you just write that off?

EdithBond · 25/08/2024 19:24

Himitsu · 25/08/2024 17:31

In regards to the headache, she refused paracetamol and water etc. it’s one of the magic headaches she gets when she doesn’t want to do something.

If she’s refused water could she be really dehydrated? That makes you v lethargic/headachy. Lots of kids that age don’t drink enough. In fact, they’ll often say they’re hungry when they’re actually thirsty. Mine would never drink much water when they were young. So I gave them weakish squash. I know water’s better but they’d at least chug down the squash and get plenty of fluids. And they didn’t get hooked. They drink tons of water now as young adults. I also used to remind them to check what colour their wee was - if not clear that means they’re dehydrated. They seemed to find it fascinating and would actually drink then. Festivals can also feel pretty hectic and tiring for some kids, e.g. those with neurodivergence and a tent can feel calmer.

DBD1975 · 25/08/2024 19:18

Meadowwild · 25/08/2024 12:30

Is it really a headache or is that a cover for something she isn't comfortable discussing? At that age she could be hormonal or even beginning her periods and unable to cope with the mood swings and pain and the tiredness some girls get. Even before menstruation actually kicks in, they can get PMT symptoms.

I remember my mum being so pissed off that I refused to go swimming in the sea one holiday. I had just started my periods and was too shy to tell her and she treated me like a spoiled brat. I felt so shit but completely unable to confide in her, especially as she was so annoyed and judgemental of me and just assumed i was being difficult rather than dealing with a difficulty.

So, I'd be sympathetic and assume she isn't intentionally trying to ruin everyone's holiday. I'd give her some paracetamol and then you and Dh take turns to sit with her, chat with her etc in 2-3 hour rotations, so you each get some time to enjoy the festival and some time with the toddler, and some time with DD. It's not the end of the world to sit outside a tent and contemplate the world for a few hours.

Edited

Totally agree with this post, I think some empathy and kindness are required in this situation. There is a reason for her behaviour and I would want to try and coax it out of her.

Qanat53 · 25/08/2024 19:18

Negotiate a deal, ask her what she wants. Say what you want . Try find compromise.

If she won’t compromise, swap with DP supervising her highness. But mostly ignore her.

Blubbafish · 25/08/2024 19:14

The replies here are fucking wild. SHES TEN! SHE'S BEEN ON THE PLANET FOR ONLY A DECADE.

Stop projecting adult bullshit on her.

BumpyaDaisyevna · 25/08/2024 19:13

Sorry you're having a rubbish time. It's miserable when you've tried to plan something great.

What happens if you just insist that she joins in?

If it were one of mine we would just ... insist?
My DH would tell them very firmly that we have paid good money to be here, that it's an incredible privilege, to get a grip, get their shoes on, and to join in pronto.

And they would (sulking no doubt but not too much - as DH would tell them if they don't stop that sulking he will get very cross with them.))

They don't like it but in the end they enjoy it and I think deep down it's a relief to them that they are not allowed to run the whole show with their moods.

My DH would have told your DD to stop being lazy, get her shoes on, and get walking before she found herself in big trouble.

Perhaps that wouldn't be work with your DD though, all kids are different.

coxesorangepippin · 25/08/2024 19:11

She just had a lovely birthday party, lovely gifts and this was part of it

^

Also likes skating and Motorsports

^

and why we spend so much money on her hobby

Stop doing all of this. She clearly doesn't give a shit about any of it.

coxesorangepippin · 25/08/2024 19:09

Spoilt brat syndrome.

And stop projecting your needs and preferences on her

2sisters · 25/08/2024 19:03

I'd take away all he'd entertainment. If she's got a headache she doesn't need a phone, book, tablet ect. I'd tag team with DH so you both get to take turns going to the festival with toddler. I wouldn't give her any attention at all. If she has a headache she needs to sit quietly.

Zanatdy · 25/08/2024 19:01

I’d be telling her she’s coming where we were going, sorry but when does a 10yr old dictate what the whole family does? Does she usually just get to decide she doesn’t want to do something and you all comply? Mine would have been told to suck it up at that age and join in. Unless genuinely unwell which she isn’t

Pinkypinkyplonk · 25/08/2024 19:00

Himitsu · 25/08/2024 18:47

Yes she does karting and is a big fan of motor sports (as are we!)

Tell her with behaviour like this karting is going to stop as she’s obviously not interested

Blubbafish · 25/08/2024 18:57

All behaviour has a reason, even laziness. Ironically, most people are too lazy to find it out because it inconveniences them.

teenagersuntangled · 25/08/2024 18:56

I’d say she’s not giving you a hard time, she’s having a hard time. She’s probably feeling overwhelmed but doesn’t know how to express it, which is very common for young, hormonal kids.

I would say, ‘I am so sorry you’re not feeling good. Are you able to say what it is?’ If she can’t, then say, ‘I think you are feeling overwhelmed and that it’s probably best if we just pack up and get you home so that you can decompress.’

She might brighten up when she doesn’t feel pressure, or she might really want to go home. We’ve all anticipated the excitement of something and found - when we’re confronted the reality of it - that it’s all too much. She’s ten, it’s really normal.

Don’t shame her or fight it, just cope with the disappointment and cut your losses.

purpleme12 · 25/08/2024 18:53

I'm interested in what happened
What did she do in the tent all day? Did she actually stay in the tent all day? We she sulking all day or happy in the tent?

SpanielPaws · 25/08/2024 18:51

At 10, she's getting way too much input into the decision making process OP. I hate to say it but unless you get a grip on this now, you're facing a teenage terrorist that rules the house and family dynamic with an iron grip. I wouldn't take her home, I'd go and find a book/magazine and just sit there with her (alternating with your DH) in absolute silence so she's bored out of her mind. Don't let her have any tech, and don't get her nice food/drink. She wants to be miserable, let her.

Himitsu · 25/08/2024 18:47

diddl · 25/08/2024 18:42

See, I'd just not have it. But then mine had learnt by 10 that they don't get final say in what we do.

Pretty much like that for us as kids & for ours.

I do think that sometimes there is too much negotiating & cajoling now!

Op when she suggested the festival did she actually know what there would be to see & do & how long you would be there for?

Yes she does karting and is a big fan of motor sports (as are we!)

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Viviennemary · 25/08/2024 18:46

theduchessofspork · 25/08/2024 12:21

I would probably pick her up and move her, but if you (understandably) don’t want to do that, I would be clear with get that XYZ severe punishments will happen (and stick to that) unless she moves, because she has no right to ruin everyone’s expensive weekend away.

If she still won’t budge then tag team with your husband to babysit her. Whoever is with her just read and have a beer, don’t entertain her.

You could perhaps say you are going to leave her in the tent, which might get her moving, but one of you would have to watch her from afar if she didn’t, so she knows you will stick to your guns.

This phase will pass but it’s infuriating while it lasts, and I’d come down as hard as you can on it.

I would just leave her in the tent and let her sulk. Would that be safe enough? I wouldn't leave because a 10 year old want3d to spoil things.

LlamaNoDrama · 25/08/2024 18:44

CandiedPrincess · 25/08/2024 18:24

Exactly that @Laundryliar sometimes there isn't a 'reason' they're just bloody awkward. I hate how we have to try and explain everything away now.

I find in incredulous that many people maintain they can't make their kids do anything if they don't want to. Explains a lot!

So what do you suggest if parents can't make them? They restrain them and drag them around?

Ime the kids you can't 'make' usually have a reason behind that.

diddl · 25/08/2024 18:42

See, I'd just not have it. But then mine had learnt by 10 that they don't get final say in what we do.

Pretty much like that for us as kids & for ours.

I do think that sometimes there is too much negotiating & cajoling now!

Op when she suggested the festival did she actually know what there would be to see & do & how long you would be there for?

CuttySarcasm · 25/08/2024 18:41

Without knowing her it’s difficult to come to conclusions. But I had my first panic attack at 10, which then lead to years of a full blown anxiety disorder I’ve only really sorted now I’m in my 30s. My parents didn’t help, I often felt embarrassed and didn’t tell them but I also got told off a lot, when actually it was horrific anxiety.