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Himitsu · 25/08/2024 12:13

Currently at a festival with husband, dd10 and ds2.

Dd10 is refusing to leave the tent. Doesn’t want to go to the festival (that she really wanted to come to!)

We have paid for activities that she wanted to do today and we are currently just sat here. Short of physically manhandling her I’m not sure what to do. Toddler is bored and wants to go and see stuff. Husband is going to take him down in a bit but means I’m stuck here with moody 10 year old and I’m really pissed off. She’s saying her head hurts (it only hurts when she’s doesn’t want to do something funnily enough).

What would you do in this situation? She just had a lovely birthday party, lovely gifts and this was part of it. She just manages to ruin almost every day we out we have when she doesn’t get her own way. Shes generally a lovely girl but lately had really ramped up with the laziness and defiance. Trying not to fall out and ruin our last day here but in half tempted to just pack up and go.

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MMAS · 26/08/2024 19:50

Different ages of children - does that mean different parents through a divorce or just as it is? If it was her choice to go to a festival - a tad odd given her age to choose as surely would have had no knowledge of one before - then fair enough pack up and leave. A bit odd to take a two year old to same outing. If she is complaining of headaches at that age then I'd be wanting them investigated - you don't sound very concerned at all. I hope this little girl gets the love and attention she clearly needs from someone outside of this marriage.

Sharptonguedwoman · 26/08/2024 19:43

Himitsu · 25/08/2024 12:13

Currently at a festival with husband, dd10 and ds2.

Dd10 is refusing to leave the tent. Doesn’t want to go to the festival (that she really wanted to come to!)

We have paid for activities that she wanted to do today and we are currently just sat here. Short of physically manhandling her I’m not sure what to do. Toddler is bored and wants to go and see stuff. Husband is going to take him down in a bit but means I’m stuck here with moody 10 year old and I’m really pissed off. She’s saying her head hurts (it only hurts when she’s doesn’t want to do something funnily enough).

What would you do in this situation? She just had a lovely birthday party, lovely gifts and this was part of it. She just manages to ruin almost every day we out we have when she doesn’t get her own way. Shes generally a lovely girl but lately had really ramped up with the laziness and defiance. Trying not to fall out and ruin our last day here but in half tempted to just pack up and go.

Quick thought. Lots of people have said periods or overwhelmed and she has a headache. Yes, absolutely take her phone away if she’s on it but at some calmer point, maybe a gentle chat about exactly what the matter was, if she has the words to explain.

oldmoaner · 26/08/2024 19:28

I wouldnt go home, but, id try talking to her and find out why she seems to dislike family holidays. Would she be the same if allowed to take a friend along as well? Kids that age dont always enjoy being with parents and nobody their own age, ask her, and if she says she wants a friend to go next time tell her she will have to do jobs at home to earn money to pay for her own entertainment next time, but if she wants you to consider it then she needs to join in and NOT spoil this holiday or you won't even consider a friend going next time and youll send her to stay with grandparents, auntie or whatever and go without her in future.

Mostlymum · 26/08/2024 19:26

My daughter is 16 and does exactly this...none of the things I tried have worked, telling her off, being extra nice and comforting, removing screens, explaining consequences or packing and leaving. Whatever I do I end up feeling awful.
No solutions but loads of empathy, I've been there and it sucks.
If you can get her out in fresh air somehow.....it might help.

Rottweilermummy · 26/08/2024 19:00

Meadowwild · 25/08/2024 12:30

Is it really a headache or is that a cover for something she isn't comfortable discussing? At that age she could be hormonal or even beginning her periods and unable to cope with the mood swings and pain and the tiredness some girls get. Even before menstruation actually kicks in, they can get PMT symptoms.

I remember my mum being so pissed off that I refused to go swimming in the sea one holiday. I had just started my periods and was too shy to tell her and she treated me like a spoiled brat. I felt so shit but completely unable to confide in her, especially as she was so annoyed and judgemental of me and just assumed i was being difficult rather than dealing with a difficulty.

So, I'd be sympathetic and assume she isn't intentionally trying to ruin everyone's holiday. I'd give her some paracetamol and then you and Dh take turns to sit with her, chat with her etc in 2-3 hour rotations, so you each get some time to enjoy the festival and some time with the toddler, and some time with DD. It's not the end of the world to sit outside a tent and contemplate the world for a few hours.

Edited

You could well be right, and majority of us female and gone through the first period/ pmt situation, easy to automatically think a girl is being difficult.
My advice would be to suggest to her that if she is using a screen, it might be that causing her headache , that might open up a talk and find out what maybe really bothering her.

Himitsu · 26/08/2024 18:55

Boysgrownbutstillathome · 26/08/2024 18:13

My son and I were at Silverstone festival on Saturday evening to see Busted - did you see them? I hope you did some nice things while you were there x

No we didnt see any of the music as we forgot the toddler wagon! Also 10 year old has never heard of any of the headliners, which makes me feel very old 🙃

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Himitsu · 26/08/2024 18:55

SummerFade · 26/08/2024 18:00

Clearly this was your idea to go to a festival and maybe she thought it sounded fun at the time you suggested it? Kids are usually keen to be accommodating on the whole.

However, going to a Festival/camping would be my idea of pure hell so maybe she’s discovered that she really doesn’t enjoy it as much as you do?

Will you drag her along to other festivals in the future?

Have you even read the thread 🤣

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Boysgrownbutstillathome · 26/08/2024 18:13

My son and I were at Silverstone festival on Saturday evening to see Busted - did you see them? I hope you did some nice things while you were there x

SummerFade · 26/08/2024 18:00

Clearly this was your idea to go to a festival and maybe she thought it sounded fun at the time you suggested it? Kids are usually keen to be accommodating on the whole.

However, going to a Festival/camping would be my idea of pure hell so maybe she’s discovered that she really doesn’t enjoy it as much as you do?

Will you drag her along to other festivals in the future?

Maddy70 · 26/08/2024 17:55

I would give the 10 year old a massive bollocking and gibe a choice of 2 things to do. Either or

If they refused either i would get a grandparent to pick them up....

tolerable · 26/08/2024 17:41

@Himitsu .yupp-its really hard-they dont come with a manual and no 2 are the same.
its really easy to say you are the adult they are the child. all the "mine would never"clearly happy say that but never experienced it.or would tell you how to overcome with something other than a "stern look"
i love classic cars too.
will she return to them with dad n toddler get some "happy photos" then just keep kinda walkin talkin ?shes getting the attention shes requiring but you can maybe manipulate it into good attention?
took me...couple of yrs and severl shitshows to rework my then just past toddlers bility ro ruin aa day.onne of best things ...tho much younger ..so maybe easier..was make him designated photographer. or "group medic" maany big long walks we all came home with plasters from "staged falls" cos he actually quite a caring sweetheart and would happily look after his patient n stop thinking bout(whtever his i dont wanna head was doing)

wasdarknowblond · 26/08/2024 17:37

Sounds like she’s in control. You need to take it back. Pack up and go home.

tolerable · 26/08/2024 17:26

dont manhndle her.take the tent down.

SparkyBlue · 26/08/2024 08:20

OP I'm glad she enjoyed it in the end. Just to say my DD got her periods at just turned 11 and we had awful moody stroppy behaviour at your DDs age and I was fit to throttle her so it genuinely could be hormonal and your DD probably doesn't even know why she is behaving like it. I remember a birthday party where she initially refused to participate after wanting to attend and I actually had to walk away and take deep breaths.

Newnamesameoldlurker · 26/08/2024 07:47

SummerHoHoHoNy · 25/08/2024 22:36

NRTFT but you take control. Offer two options, both of which you’re happy with. Offer a stick, offer a carrot (make it clear you’d rather not use the stick). Eg. ‘We can stay here for the next hour but then we’re going out to get food but you’ll have lost your phone/tablet/an hour of screen time etc or we can go out now and have a nice time. If you come out now maybe we can get a donut. I’d definitely prefer the second option. What about you?’ Batten down the hatches for the possibility of a strop. Stick to your guns. You can’t let a ten year old dictate a holiday. If you do, imagine what the teenage years will be like!! (From the mum of an extremely strong willed ten yo boy - honestly, I swear he’d wear down the most experienced of diplomats!)

This is perfect advice

Combattingthemoaners · 26/08/2024 07:41

ErnestClementine · 26/08/2024 06:07

Some of the replies on here show why we have such a mental health crisis in children. What a lot of unpleasant sounding control freakery.

Glad your daughter enjoyed the evening, OP.

Expecting a child to do what an adult says isn’t the reason for mental health issues. Too much choice, being treated like rational little adult in one breath but then like a child in the next leads to confusion, having no boundaries, projecting adult issues onto children at very young ages, unsupervised access to the internet. They are all reasons, in my opinion, why children have mental health issues. That is if they do, I also think adults are far too quick to label children with anxiety or other issues when worry is a normal part of life. We should be teaching children to be resilient and selfless (not spoiling the trip for others) rather than it all being about me me me. I will no doubt get flamed for this unpopular opinion but the replies on here have been mad.

ErnestClementine · 26/08/2024 06:07

Some of the replies on here show why we have such a mental health crisis in children. What a lot of unpleasant sounding control freakery.

Glad your daughter enjoyed the evening, OP.

Outliers · 25/08/2024 23:49

It's not a democracy. My child wouldn't have a choice.

Balloonhearts · 25/08/2024 23:35

My DD would have sat in the tent for days without any ents. The removal of any home privileges wouldn't have moved her. She would have had to have been dragged kicking and screaming out of the tent, and then dragged to the festival.

Then she would have been dragged kicking and screaming. I have no patience with wet parents who seem to just accept that they have no control over their children. Wtf? Have some authority. Who exactly is in charge here? This is not a democracy! It's not open to negotiation. I am the parent and if I say we're going out, we're bloody going out.

It should never get to this point. You lay the foundations early at 3, 4, 5 years old. What mum says goes. Physical removal/reinforcement if necessary. By 10 refusing shouldn't even occur to them as an option.

BrutusMcDogface · 25/08/2024 23:16

Calamitousness · 25/08/2024 12:23

Agree. Pack up. Go home. Remove all electronic devices from her. Once home she is not allowed to go out or have any devices. She can sit in her room. She sounds horrible. And I would not be giving her any of her birthday gifts till she’d apologised and showed improved behaviour over some days.

“She sounds horrible”?

She’s a ten year old child!! 🙄

EdithBond · 25/08/2024 22:41

She may be a bit shy on her own, if other kids doing the activities are with siblings or friends. There was a 7 year age gap between me and my younger sibling. I remember from about 8 or 9 feeling quite self-conscious of being on my own, even if other kids were on their own. If they were kids I didn’t know I hadn’t really learned the art if striking up a conversation. It’s different at home as you get to know the kids.

Goldenbear · 25/08/2024 22:40

If It is a festival about cars and that is her passion, it makes sense that she doesn’t like walking very much, does she walk much at home.

SummerHoHoHoNy · 25/08/2024 22:36

NRTFT but you take control. Offer two options, both of which you’re happy with. Offer a stick, offer a carrot (make it clear you’d rather not use the stick). Eg. ‘We can stay here for the next hour but then we’re going out to get food but you’ll have lost your phone/tablet/an hour of screen time etc or we can go out now and have a nice time. If you come out now maybe we can get a donut. I’d definitely prefer the second option. What about you?’ Batten down the hatches for the possibility of a strop. Stick to your guns. You can’t let a ten year old dictate a holiday. If you do, imagine what the teenage years will be like!! (From the mum of an extremely strong willed ten yo boy - honestly, I swear he’d wear down the most experienced of diplomats!)

BumpyaDaisyevna · 25/08/2024 22:33

*bear not best

Goldenbear · 25/08/2024 22:32

Laundryliar · 25/08/2024 20:56

Which is why i said pre-teens/teens.
A 10 year old is not a 'little girl' - any ten year old girl will be pretty pissed off if you say they are a 'little girl'!!
A 10 year old is likely little more than a year off secondary school where they are expected to get on with it. 10 year olds do not need babying they aren't toddlers!

I have a teen DD and older teen DS they are very much little girls whatever they may like to believe are they even pre-teens, I thought that was 11/12? Surely at least secondary school age is pre-teen, a ten year old is still at primary school!