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Doing someone a favour shouldn't inconvenience someone else.

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TheRainGame · 25/08/2024 08:51

So my sister has form for this kind of thing.

She will go out of her way to offer someone a lift after work but this then holds her back from letting her childcare back by half an hour.

Or volunteer to make ridiculous quantities of buns for a charity bake sale but will "need' friends and family to mind her kids at short notice so she can do this.

She is very much of the attitude that friends and family should "drop everything" to help others, including her when she is in "need", but often she creates these situations where she is scrambling around for childcare because she has committed to something unnecessary, although she will view the act of charity as vital.

I'm all for helping others, absolutely, but AIBU to say that your charitable acts shouldn't be constantly inconveniencing others?

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Rubyandscarlett · 25/08/2024 19:07

itsgoingtobeabumpyride · 25/08/2024 09:10

Very annoying for you but from her pov does she just find it hard to say no to people asking for the favours?
I'm an absolute people pleaser, it's well known in my circle that I will literally do anything for anyone even to the detriment of my own needs/happiness.
I'll cancel something I want to do if someone asks me for help.
I absolutely hate it, it's usually expected but not appreciated but I really struggle to say no, I'll flounder around looking for an excuse but I'm not very good at "thinking on my feet".
Once you get known for being amenable it's game over, you're doomed!
It's even little things for me like going out for MY birthday meal and I can't have a drink as I'm nominated as designated driver so other people can have a drink 🙄
Could you talk to her about it.
I recently said no to a medical professional, they wanted to do X and I actually said no, crikey, it was liberating, I'm going to try to say no a bit more often.
Otoh could you and whoever else is acting as childcare or helper / cake maker say no?
Difficult isn't it? ❤️

You need to work on this.

CruCru · 25/08/2024 18:52

I remember (years ago), a poster on here had tickets for something at the London Olympics. They had some relatives visiting from Australia (but were staying with someone else) and her Mum had offered the Australians her tickets. The Mum was in the habit of being generous with other people’s things and was outraged when she said that she would be using her tickets herself.

There was someone else who was cross that her mum kept offering her services (something legal / tax related) to randoms for free. Her telling them that she had too much paying work on was embarrassing, apparently.

WiddlinDiddlin · 25/08/2024 17:14

Ahhhhhhh... yes my sister does this. It is now somewhat limited, at least in my case, now my physical mobility is reduced significantly so I can't actually do a lot of the things she used to volunteer me to do - she tries to offer my DP instead though, or offer to do things that then involve him (and then asks ME if he'll do it, I dunno, he's his own person, she has his number!).

Infuriating!

ErinAoife · 25/08/2024 15:36

Thirdsummerofourdiscontent · 25/08/2024 09:47

My husbands family is like this, anything to help random people or groups to look like good people. Their own family including children are a afterthought. It’s weird how far they will go to be seen as good people.

Oh my god, exactly how my ex-husband family is. My sil particularly will always offer to drive her neighbours to hospital appointment even if it is inconvenient and complained about it saying that their sons or daughters should do it. She could say no, but they are rich. She's even helped the man that abused her when she was young, the mother knew about it but did not report him to the police. I really can't get my head around it.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 25/08/2024 15:05

For me it's always the skills and/or inclination that she doesn't have, she hears that somebody needs them and jumps in to offer to fix whatever it is. I can remember giving up my weekend to go and run a course on a subject I don't even know that much about. Not just once but twice! Never again.

Vabenejulio · 25/08/2024 14:55

This is all about her doing whatever garners her the most attention/ praise/ validation/ whatever else she needs to fuel her ego, and using others (her mum for example) to get it.

She doesn’t get the ego kick she needs from her children and her mum or you. She gets it from others who don’t know her game, so take her at face value.

My MIL is like this. I saw it immediately and didn’t hesitate to tell her “oh, you didn’t ask me, sorry I have to leave” - and left. She never tried it again and in her eyes I’m “unreliable”, have got my priorities wrong, don’t understand about faaaamily. I’m totally fine with that.

itsmabeline · 25/08/2024 14:52

Have you told her directly what you think about this? What did she say?

GNR2022 · 25/08/2024 14:47

Sorry wrong thread but I can’t delete the picture!

Doing someone a favour shouldn't inconvenience someone else.
Toastghost · 25/08/2024 12:33

She likes the attention.

Doingmybest12 · 25/08/2024 11:57

I think alot of people doing good works are like this but just don't see the bigger picture or take the support they have for granted. You need to be firmer with your boundaries if you are up for the fall out.

TheRainGame · 25/08/2024 11:46

Edingril · 25/08/2024 11:35

So you're jealous? Stop being a childcare worker for her and leave her to it, it doesn't have to concern you other than the childcare bit

I wouldn't consider that jealousy.

I don't need or want the recognition, otherwise I would be likewise engaged in "worthy" activities. I just want to be out of the picture entirely, and have put in boundaries to facilitate this.

I would like her to recognise that her acts of charity are often an imposition on other people. I would have no issue with it if it didn't also put other people other pressure.

If she was quietly donating her free time to worthy causes then she can work away, but by committing to things that she can't do without roping in extra people for childcare etc. what she's actually doing is donating other people's free time.

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Sheeplesss · 25/08/2024 11:36

This is all about her very selfish ego.
No point at all in having a conversation about it.
It is who she is.
What you can do is not be available and be very firm on that.

My friend had a mother who was very similar to this and she tried to impose on her, even though she had children and worked full-time.

She infuriated my friend by volunteering her professional skills.

She took to referring to requests as "mother's ego runs" and refused to be involved when her sister tried to guilt her once.

Step away with "doesn't suit".

Edingril · 25/08/2024 11:35

TheRainGame · 25/08/2024 11:25

Yes, this is exactly it!

So you're jealous? Stop being a childcare worker for her and leave her to it, it doesn't have to concern you other than the childcare bit

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 25/08/2024 11:31

My Mum has form for this. "Oh yes, Lying will write that letter for you..." - and then I get asked to do this 'favour'. So annoying.

KeepinOn · 25/08/2024 11:26

The narcissist label gets thrown around a lot, but communal narcissism is an interesting one to read up on.

TheRainGame · 25/08/2024 11:25

Howdull · 25/08/2024 11:15

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. It IS performative.

She gets all the adoration and praise for all the stuff she volunteers for - meanwhile, in the back and out of sight, other people are doing the grunt work.

She's not daft is she!😉

Yes, this is exactly it!

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TheNormalRules · 25/08/2024 11:22

sueelleker · 25/08/2024 09:56

The logical follow-up to this will be when they start volunteering other people to do things. "Oh, my sister/daughter will do that".

My mother is always offering people lifts even though she doesn't drive. She expects her husband to do the driving while she gets the credit for the "kind offer".

Sidebeforeself · 25/08/2024 11:20

Not the point of the thread but why are people saying “Oh the childcare provider will charge her?” The inconvenience to them isn’t solved with money..it may have a knock on effect on their home lives too ( you can tell my friend is a childminder!)

Howdull · 25/08/2024 11:15

TheRainGame · 25/08/2024 09:01

Childcare is sometimes paid, but is often our mum or family friends.

I think there's something quite performative about it. Could quietly donate money to the charity instead of needing to turn up with arm fulls of buns, for example.

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. It IS performative.

She gets all the adoration and praise for all the stuff she volunteers for - meanwhile, in the back and out of sight, other people are doing the grunt work.

She's not daft is she!😉

FOJN · 25/08/2024 11:10

I agree there is something performative about it. I think you just have to start saying no to her. Just be busy when she asks.

What is there to commend when you actively offer yourself up to help other people and prioritise that over your responsibility to your children?

It's selfish behaviour, possibly there is a hint of narcissism in there to, "look at me, aren't I helpful/generous/selfless, tell me how wonderful I am."

TheRainGame · 25/08/2024 10:29

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 25/08/2024 09:58

Does she read much? Buy her a copy of Bleak House for Christmas & mark all the pages about Mrs Jellyby.

Not a big reader, no, but this book sounds interesting!

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TheRainGame · 25/08/2024 10:22

Shinyandnew1 · 25/08/2024 10:06

She will go out of her way to offer someone a lift after work but this then holds her back from letting her childcare back by half an hour

Not quite sure what/who this affects-do you mean she’s late getting back to collect her kids? Hopefully if that’s to a childminder, they will charge her. If it’s you, I would be having a go and saying I won’t look after your kids any more if you put me out like that.

It impacts our mum who provides childcare for her, but this is just one example amongst many of her going out of her way but that then forces other people to go out of theirs too.

I have put in boundaries, but it does irritate me that she seems kind of oblivious to it all.

I'm not sure if I should address it or if I should, how to go about it.

I know in her head people should feel privileged to get to spend time with her children and if you truly care about someone you should drop everything at the first sign of their need, and she gets a lot of self-worth from people seeing her as a "good" and productive person, and all of these beliefs have led to this dynamic. I'm not hopeful that I am going to be able to change her mind on any of these!

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Shinyandnew1 · 25/08/2024 10:06

She will go out of her way to offer someone a lift after work but this then holds her back from letting her childcare back by half an hour

Not quite sure what/who this affects-do you mean she’s late getting back to collect her kids? Hopefully if that’s to a childminder, they will charge her. If it’s you, I would be having a go and saying I won’t look after your kids any more if you put me out like that.

theduchessofspork · 25/08/2024 10:03

Yep. You gotta hold your boundaries (with compassion, because she probably doesn’t mean to do it, but she needs to learn)

LlynTegid · 25/08/2024 10:01

Not the situations you refer to no. I also have little patience if any with people who cannot plan ahead, 99% of whom don't have any form of neurodiversity that inhibits this.