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I'm quitting teaching, I've decided, AIBU?

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thequickbrowndog · 25/08/2024 07:23

That's it, I'm done, I'm leaving! I've spent the whole summer dreading going back. I adore the kids (secondary boys school) but I can't be bullied anymore. I can't stand my work colleagues, I've had to make a formal complaint about bullying. My boss clearly favours other staff over me. Everything always just seems unfair but I just have to get on with it. I work part time but am stressed about it full time because of all the passive aggressive emails while I'm off.
I don't have a job to go to yet, but I'm just done. I can't go back. AIBU?

OP posts:
estornudar · 25/08/2024 09:31

Have you considered sticking with teaching but moving out of mainstream education OP? I made the move into a special school two years ago and would never look back!

Werweisswohin · 25/08/2024 09:30

thequickbrowndog · 25/08/2024 09:25

Yes I think you're right. I was very unlucky with my department. The only other teacher in my dept is very jealous and competitive. Always looking for fault and then running to HOD to tell tales. Support staff member is 60 year old narc who loves to stir the pot and causes all sorts of issues. HOD is 27 years old and head of 3 departments - two of which she has no clue about. It's an absolute recipe for disaster and it's making me want to vomit just thinking about going back there.

Gosh, are any of them likeable?

thequickbrowndog · 25/08/2024 09:28

@SippedAway that's it, it's grief! I am gutted to be losing that part of me, I'll no longer say "I'm a teacher" or have kids calling out "hi Miss" in the street. It's been my life for the last 20 years,

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Aconite20 · 25/08/2024 09:27

I am sorry but not surprised, what you describe outlines some of the many reasons I'm so glad I didn't go into teaching when I qualified.

Ironically we now have an ex-head where I currently work and they are truly awful, hypocritical, selfish, entitled, beyond arrogant, treating us all like ten year olds, never listening to anyone's opinions, not sharing what they should be, oblivious to the larger organisation, and generally focusing on minutiae instead of the strategy and relationship building they should be working on. They don't know they were the only person who applied or just how desperate their senior was to shed the load but if they continue like this it will surprise me if someone doesn't tell them. (Not me, I do my best to avoid them as much as possible which is a bit tricky given the number of pointless empty meetings they insist on having.)

I'm tied in to a university course for a couple of years but if The Head is still there at the end of that time I will be looking for another job. I'd go sooner if I could face having to look.

DancingTurtle · 25/08/2024 09:25

Have you contacted your union?

Cosyblankets · 25/08/2024 09:25

JMSA · 25/08/2024 08:55

But why wouldn't you just change school?

Maybe she's too expensive.
I know plenty of experienced teachers who tried to get another job before leaving but on many occasions those jobs went to someone just qualified.

ilovesooty · 25/08/2024 09:25

SippedAway · 25/08/2024 08:56

There are posters here who have no understanding of burnout. No idea that you work and work, your physical and mental health fraying all the time, constantly feeling that it's you who is the problem, that you just need to snap out of it, ride it out, keep going. This is the career you trained for, the thing you know how to do and you worked so hard to be good at it. So many people are depending on you, you can't fail so you push and push and push and then one day without you seeing it coming, the collapse happens. Maybe it's the morning when you just can't walk out the door to go to work because your legs buckle underneath you. Maybe it's a quiet day in the holidays, when you've had a moment's rest and your body has told you in no uncertain terms that it needs to heal and you cannot go back again.

There is so much grief and sadness in losing that part of you, that successful identity you had, the plan for your future and everything you worked for.

You can't plan a breakdown according to the local authority's notice period, or accommodate their supply issues at the cost of what's left of your mental and physical wellbeing. Burnout is a long, insidious process and so much damage has been done before you even realise you're on fire.

Well said.

thequickbrowndog · 25/08/2024 09:25

Winter41 · 25/08/2024 09:21

If it's not the job itself and the issue is your colleagues I would try another school. My department is lovely. I've never experienced workplace bullying, everyone is really supportive and friendly.

You could find a horrible group of people in any workplace. Between us my husband and I have worked in 6 schools and mostly had lovely colleagues so I don't necessarily think it's a teaching issue.

If th actual job was making you unhappy, I would suggest leaving altogether but it seems a shame to let a few nasty people force you out of a career you like.

Yes I think you're right. I was very unlucky with my department. The only other teacher in my dept is very jealous and competitive. Always looking for fault and then running to HOD to tell tales. Support staff member is 60 year old narc who loves to stir the pot and causes all sorts of issues. HOD is 27 years old and head of 3 departments - two of which she has no clue about. It's an absolute recipe for disaster and it's making me want to vomit just thinking about going back there.

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Maddie52 · 25/08/2024 09:25

I actually quit my teaching job on 30th July after we got our holidays. I’ve resigned with immediate affect and head accepted my resignation. It was for a multitude of reasons and even though I was also part time I couldn’t face going back in September. I completely understand how you feel.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 25/08/2024 09:24

You’ll find a new career, don’t worry about that for now. Best of luck for the future.
Take time to recover. The majority of people don’t realise how toxic schools can be.

Gardendiary · 25/08/2024 09:23

PoohBearsBelly · 25/08/2024 07:31

Do it, and don't let yourself be dragged back in a few years later once you've recovered like I did! It's crap, and always will be crap, because teachers know how to manage children not adults. Things will not change until there is proper training for senior teams on how to actually run a team.

Quit, find something you love and don't look back

This s so true. The lack of management training for teachers outside the classroom is such an obvious problem if you’ve worked in other sectors (and probably if you haven’t!)

Notellinganyone · 25/08/2024 09:23

I agree with @Mumoftwo1316 - it really doesn’t have to be like that. In my Dept we have a lot of part timers and in recent years there have been lots of family/health issues and everyone is very supportive. It makes all the difference. I’m really sorry for the stress you must be suffering.

SippedAway · 25/08/2024 09:21

Iwasafool · 25/08/2024 09:14

We have had one person on here describing how they hoped they would be in a fatal car crash with their children in the car so they didn't need to face a day at school. I've worked in a mental health setting and I am pretty sure that would qualify as a mental health issue. I wish people would stop deciding how other people feel.

Yes, I had a suicide plan worked out that would have left my young children motherless. I think on balance, it was better that I had nine weeks off sick until my notice period expired - though I remember posting on here at the time and being told I should return my salary to the school. The lack of compassion in some people is very disturbing.

Winter41 · 25/08/2024 09:21

If it's not the job itself and the issue is your colleagues I would try another school. My department is lovely. I've never experienced workplace bullying, everyone is really supportive and friendly.

You could find a horrible group of people in any workplace. Between us my husband and I have worked in 6 schools and mostly had lovely colleagues so I don't necessarily think it's a teaching issue.

If th actual job was making you unhappy, I would suggest leaving altogether but it seems a shame to let a few nasty people force you out of a career you like.

Winter41 · 25/08/2024 09:19

If it's not the job itself and the issue is your colleagues I would try another school. My department is lovely. I've never experienced workplace bullying, everyone is really supportive and friendly.

You could find a horrible group of people in any workplace. Between us my husband and I have worked in 6 schools and mostly had lovely colleagues so I don't necessarily think it's a teaching issue.

If th actual job was making you unhappy, I would suggest leaving altogether but it seems a shame to let a few nasty people force you out of a career you like.

thequickbrowndog · 25/08/2024 09:19

@SanctusInDistress gosh so true! This school in particular has a distinct pupil power problem. Numerous times I've heard "I'll report you" or "we'll see what the HT teacher has to say about that" etc from students!! On the whole the kids are amazing, and I have great rapport with them. But there are far too many kids being allowed to make wild accusations and being backed by their parents. SLT are too scared of the parents too

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Bromptotoo · 25/08/2024 09:19

@PrettyPinkShoes

You said There was a huge debate in The Times on this last week with real MH professionals saying it has to stop.

Do you mean the disgraceful article by Matthew Paris?

Cakeandcardio · 25/08/2024 09:18

I feel sad that this seems to be the way of the English education system (making an assumption here). I work in a Scottish secondary and I don't find this toxic culture at all. Management aren't always great but there is support there and I have never received a nasty email. My direct line manager (head of dept) is briliant. So supportive.
I echo what others say - surely there's a school out there for you? Teaching really is still a good job. The kids make it. Good luck OP. And you are right to go off sick to get away from bullies!

Winter2020 · 25/08/2024 09:18

thequickbrowndog · 25/08/2024 09:05

I suspect that my notice period will be cut short if I am signed off sick.

Your headteacher / the governors might release you from your contract if it is clear that you will be off sick then leaving. That is better for them than paying sick but also avoids you job hunting with a chunk of sick leave in your recent history.

I think you should consider looking at other schools if you do enjoy the actual work, as well as being open to new opportunities too. If you can handle the secondary age kids you're ahead of many.

Fgfgfg · 25/08/2024 09:17

Cosyblankets · 25/08/2024 08:06

Because she would have had to give her notice in at the end of May. And maybe at that point she hadn't realised how bad it was getting. Maybe at that point she was thinking I'll be OK, it'll be fine, it's not that bad. Then it was the start of the holidays and a bit of space and time away from it made her realise that no, it won't be OK. And then she started worrying about going back. And at this point it was taking over her life thinking about it.
Maybe that's why.

Exactly this. It was having two months off with a physical injury that made me realise how much work was damaging my mental health and that I couldn't do it any more.

PrettyPinkShoes · 25/08/2024 09:17

Look with the best will in the world none of us know if she is being bullied or what that means.

It could be a personality clash or differences of opinion at work. None of us know.

I've already said many times here that there are proper channels to deal with bullying at work and OP should access those. Talk to snr management, her union or other formal channels.

It would be better to work through those issues even if she still leaves.

I've always found colleagues supportive and many of my friends are former teachers, none of whom have found other colleagues competitive or nasty.

The OP has said she loves the job but not her colleagues. So it seems to me to be shooting herself in the foot to engineer a 3-month sickness when that may count against her in the future.

Werweisswohin · 25/08/2024 09:17

@SuePreemly the amount of (unpaid) leave allowed for those suffering a miscarriage is shockingly inadequate in many roles, it's so sad. Sorry for your loss.

SanctusInDistress · 25/08/2024 09:14

thequickbrowndog · 25/08/2024 07:30

Why is there this toxic culture in schools? Why are teachers so bloody awful to each other? Everything is a competition and everyone is a tell tale. I just hate it,
I'm glad you have found somewhere nice. It's good to hear.

I have the theory that it is because teachers are at the front line teaching but now you have to be very careful around kids in case they make a complaint. After class, teachers - like all human beings - have to let off that steam somehow, so they are bloody to the nearest adult they can relax with - usually another teacher, so they bent all their frustrations on them.

i believe that if the culture of parent and student teacher-blaming stopped, then teaching could be a lot nicer profession.

teachers (and all front line professionals like nurses) should have regular counselling sessions as part of the job. They are humans and they need to offload the huge pressure they are subjected to daily from the threat of ‘complaints’.

Werweisswohin · 25/08/2024 09:14

thequickbrowndog · 25/08/2024 09:11

@PrettyPinkShoes I'm actually asking, other teachers with experience, should I walk away from the profession I've worked so hard at and lived for many years. But thanks for the nasty comments. Extremely helpful

You asked on AIBU and didn't specify that only teachers could reply, hence you got a variety of responses.
Regardless of my questions, I do hope things improve for you and that you find a role that suits - not sure your subject or qualifications but would there be openings at a local college or something, working with adult learners or tutoring? That might still allow you to teach but in a different environment? Could you tutor privately? Could you write a text book in your subject?

SuePreemly · 25/08/2024 09:14

I used to teach, and got out after nearly 20 years. I worked in a lovely school with great kids and SLT but I just got worn down in the end and desperately needed a change.

The expectation you'll keep on ploughing through when you're ill is really weird compared with being in the non-teaching world. I had 1 week off for a miscarriage and was then guilted into being back. I put off an operation date because it fell at the start of term and had it the last week before Xmas instead because it was more convenient to school. That guilt tripping and feeling the need to not be ill in schools is very odd and unhealthy.

There are jobs out there: I took a pay cut from p/t teaching for F/T in current role which sort of compensated and it has been worth it.