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To be livid with DS - or should I be chalking this up to youthful silliness?

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GerbilsForever24 · 25/08/2024 02:39

DS is 13. He has a friend over for a sleepover. I've long given up policing bed time during sleepovers so am used to them all being up until all hours.

I just woke up and clearly my spidey senses were tingling as I went to check on them. Only to discover they were nowhere in the house. Turns out they'd climbed out of the window in the lounge and were sitting on a small footbridge just down from our house.

I am furious on about 50 different levels. I am not really the paranoid type, but let's face it - 2 13 year old boys wondering around on a Saturday night is not a no-risk scenario and even if they didn't get into "trouble" or nothing bad happened to them, if anyone had seen them coming out the window that would have likely generated a call to the police. Not least because we have a known gang of young teenage boys around here who are an absolute menace and the entire neighbourhood are on watch for them - no one would have known these were just two stupid 13 year olds sneaking out rather than this existing group of twits. Plus, because they went out the window and it was therefore left open, I am pretty unhappy about being left alone, asleep upstairs while my house was completely exposed.

I have taken their phones and sent them both to bed. I was livid. And yes, there was some shouting - although I think the super scary type where I'm clearly furious but am not screaming like a banshee.

DS has come in to my room crying and apologising and saying he didn't think about the risk. I've told him I accept that but there will still be consequences.

Full disclosure, he has ADHD as well so that adds an element of thoughtless to things.

It's not unreasonable to be this angry is it? Part of me thinks "isn't this just normal silliness"? And am I over reacting because DS is in a phase of thinking every rule and boundary in place is just to irritate him, vs because there's an actua reason.

OP posts:
theduchessofspork · 25/08/2024 11:27

MzHz · 25/08/2024 10:27

So you haven’t RTFT, the idiotic use of myself when it should be the word ME, AND you’re a lax and lazy parent

wonder why you think anyone would be at all interested in your wisdom?

Well you are very rude this morning aren’t you?

Apply some of your parenting discipline to yourself, and communicate like a polite adult.

The PP is entitled to her opinions.

FOJN · 25/08/2024 11:22

bergamotorange · 25/08/2024 10:39

I'm quoted in here and so will respond.

There's nothing very useful about shouting, then apologising for shouting, confiscating phones, than apologising for confiscation and handing them back.

Shouting = mum's lost it in most cases. Few lessons learned, pretty useless with older teens, doubly so for those with additional risk evaluation issues.

I'd be happy to read a reputable parenting website or book that suggests shouting at a teen is the way forward - have you got a recommendation? Explanations and consequences are always said to be more effective. Boundaries can be enforced without shouting.

The getting them back to sort windows is an excellent natural consequence, and can be achieved without shouting.

I was quoting the OP rather than responding to you.

AgentJohnson · 25/08/2024 11:19

I remember my sister shaking when she told me about DN doing similar, my raised eyebrow soon shut her up because guess what, when she was 14 she was always pulling shit like this.

I understand your anger but I think your initial response had the desired impact it had on your son. I would reiterate that leaving a window open was an open invitation to any opportunist. However, if this is the worst thing your child does, you will have got off very very lightly.

BunnyLake · 25/08/2024 11:09

ToBeDetermined · 25/08/2024 11:07

I agree we would not be compatible as friends. I don’t think I can shout away the impulsiveness of ADHD for example. Punishing a child for a disability by shouting at them and their friends isn’t my cup of tea. Good luck with the next five to ten years.

Oh dear

ToBeDetermined · 25/08/2024 11:09

GerbilsForever24 · 25/08/2024 11:07

I wasn't going to shout out the window - why on earth would I do that?!

I was going to call them... on their phones!? I looked for them. I opened a window. I didn't see them. To be honest, part of me was still thinking, "but they can't possibly have gone anywhere, I must have just missed them somehow." So I went back through the house checking every room again and as I came downstairs, they appeared in the lounge, obviously having ran back and climbed in through the window.

Dont most humans inhale before speaking on the phone? I do.

BunnyLake · 25/08/2024 11:08

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 25/08/2024 11:06

If the situation had been the same as the OP’s, I open a window to look for them and there they are, I can see them without me having to call them I would have asked “hey what are you up to?” and if it were “just sitting having a chat on the footbridge” I would have said “Be careful, make sure door is locked when you come in. Wake me if you need anything”

What a cool parent you are 🙄

It beggars belief doesn’t it.

ToBeDetermined · 25/08/2024 11:07

GerbilsForever24 · 25/08/2024 11:05

You are demonstrating, again, that you haven't read my posts properly at all.

For a start, I could NOT see them. I opened the window in the loft, could not see them, but sound travels and they heard me - they were about 30-40m down the road I guess. The reality is that I had NO Idea where they were. Sure, they hadn't gone far, but who's to say if I hadn't woken up that they wouldn't have decided to take a bit more of a jaunt?

And just like your comments about expecting an apology from me in a situation like this, your casual attitude to two 13 year olds going for a little jaunt at 2am, leaving windows open and not telling me where they were is a sign that we would not be compatible as parents or friends.

I agree we would not be compatible as friends. I don’t think I can shout away the impulsiveness of ADHD for example. Punishing a child for a disability by shouting at them and their friends isn’t my cup of tea. Good luck with the next five to ten years.

GerbilsForever24 · 25/08/2024 11:07

ToBeDetermined · 25/08/2024 11:04

She couldn’t see them for the few seconds between glancing around and inhaling to call them.

Unless you think she opened the window, looked out didn’t see them, smoked a fag for fifteen minutes and then thought about calling them and only then did they appear?

I wasn't going to shout out the window - why on earth would I do that?!

I was going to call them... on their phones!? I looked for them. I opened a window. I didn't see them. To be honest, part of me was still thinking, "but they can't possibly have gone anywhere, I must have just missed them somehow." So I went back through the house checking every room again and as I came downstairs, they appeared in the lounge, obviously having ran back and climbed in through the window.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 25/08/2024 11:07

You have no right to take someone else’s child’s telephone.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 25/08/2024 11:06

If the situation had been the same as the OP’s, I open a window to look for them and there they are, I can see them without me having to call them I would have asked “hey what are you up to?” and if it were “just sitting having a chat on the footbridge” I would have said “Be careful, make sure door is locked when you come in. Wake me if you need anything”

What a cool parent you are 🙄

BunnyLake · 25/08/2024 11:05

ToBeDetermined · 25/08/2024 10:54

If the situation had been the same as the OP’s, I open a window to look for them and there they are, I can see them without me having to call them I would have asked “hey what are you up to?” and if it were “just sitting having a chat on the footbridge” I would have said “Be careful, make sure door is locked when you come in. Wake me if you need anything”

Total nonevent. I don’t consider it sneaking out to just go outside right by your home for a chat with a friend who is sleeping over. A walk and a chat.

Sneaking out is to go to a green and drink with friends, or out to a pub to meet a boy, or hop on the train to London.

If the teen had taken a dog out at 2am for a piddle just round the corner the responses would be very different.

So if you looked in your 13 year old’s bedroom and he wasn’t there and he wasn’t in the house you’d be fine even if you couldn’t see them or hear them. you wouldn’t worry, you wouldn’t be panicked, just nonchalant.

GerbilsForever24 · 25/08/2024 11:05

ToBeDetermined · 25/08/2024 10:54

If the situation had been the same as the OP’s, I open a window to look for them and there they are, I can see them without me having to call them I would have asked “hey what are you up to?” and if it were “just sitting having a chat on the footbridge” I would have said “Be careful, make sure door is locked when you come in. Wake me if you need anything”

Total nonevent. I don’t consider it sneaking out to just go outside right by your home for a chat with a friend who is sleeping over. A walk and a chat.

Sneaking out is to go to a green and drink with friends, or out to a pub to meet a boy, or hop on the train to London.

If the teen had taken a dog out at 2am for a piddle just round the corner the responses would be very different.

You are demonstrating, again, that you haven't read my posts properly at all.

For a start, I could NOT see them. I opened the window in the loft, could not see them, but sound travels and they heard me - they were about 30-40m down the road I guess. The reality is that I had NO Idea where they were. Sure, they hadn't gone far, but who's to say if I hadn't woken up that they wouldn't have decided to take a bit more of a jaunt?

And just like your comments about expecting an apology from me in a situation like this, your casual attitude to two 13 year olds going for a little jaunt at 2am, leaving windows open and not telling me where they were is a sign that we would not be compatible as parents or friends.

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ToBeDetermined · 25/08/2024 11:04

NowImNotDoingIt · 25/08/2024 11:00

@ToBeDetermined you really really need to read things properly.

No, I couldn't. I opened an upstairs window to look out to see if they were lurking near by and didn't see them, but I think they heard the window open. So they came back. I was just about to call them as they reappeared.

OP COULDN'T see them. They happened to come back at the right time , so she thinks they might've heard the window. They simply could've been back anyway. You and her have no idea where they were, how far away or what they were doing.

You're deliberately minimising a situation to justify your lax parenting.

She couldn’t see them for the few seconds between glancing around and inhaling to call them.

Unless you think she opened the window, looked out didn’t see them, smoked a fag for fifteen minutes and then thought about calling them and only then did they appear?

sunsetsandboardwalks · 25/08/2024 11:04

I'm really surprised by all the people saying it's no big deal.

If I'd done something like this at 13, I'd have had a mahoosive bollocking off my parents and would probably have been banned from any kind of sleepover for a considerable amount of time. Saying that, I don't think I'd have even dared try something like this as I'd know all about the consequences, ha.

Shouting might not have been ideal but I doubt anyone on here behaves perfectly all the time, especially when they wake up to find two 13 year olds missing in the middle of the night!

AgileGreenSeal · 25/08/2024 11:01

I’m not too keen on sleepovers, to be honest.

BunnyLake · 25/08/2024 11:00

ttcat37 · 25/08/2024 10:24

It’s what you think you know anyway. And that’s what matters.

For heaven’s sake. They didn’t ever sneak out the house. What for exactly? My younger son didn’t like having sleep overs and when my eldest did you could hear him playing guitar most of the night (my younger son would complain he was kept awake all night by the noise and chatter).

Where on earth are you getting this mindset from? Is it because you did it so you think everyone else must have as well?

NowImNotDoingIt · 25/08/2024 11:00

@ToBeDetermined you really really need to read things properly.

No, I couldn't. I opened an upstairs window to look out to see if they were lurking near by and didn't see them, but I think they heard the window open. So they came back. I was just about to call them as they reappeared.

OP COULDN'T see them. They happened to come back at the right time , so she thinks they might've heard the window. They simply could've been back anyway. You and her have no idea where they were, how far away or what they were doing.

You're deliberately minimising a situation to justify your lax parenting.

Glitterbomb123 · 25/08/2024 10:57

OlPackingTape · 25/08/2024 10:08

“It’s called parenting” - there are better ways to deal with things than shouting, ways that actually help a teen to understand the issues and apply the lessons more broadly. If your only conception of parenting is shouting, that’s quite limited.

Its not the only conception of parenting, it's just the norm in situations like this. Which I would class as quite extreme. Please tell me how to "discipline" a child without shouting, taking a phone away and giving further consequences. Because this is what the OP did and has been told it's OTT.

And don't say you'd calmly tell them the risks. That's not disciplining or dealing with the situation. That's talking to them. There's more to parenting than talking to kids. If you think everything can be resolved around 'talking and explaining risks' you either have feral little shits as kids or you have naturally very obedient children.

ToBeDetermined · 25/08/2024 10:54

BunnyLake · 25/08/2024 10:42

Neither did I but I would have shouted at them had they done this. How did you deal with the situation yourself when yours sneaked out at 2am at 13?

If the situation had been the same as the OP’s, I open a window to look for them and there they are, I can see them without me having to call them I would have asked “hey what are you up to?” and if it were “just sitting having a chat on the footbridge” I would have said “Be careful, make sure door is locked when you come in. Wake me if you need anything”

Total nonevent. I don’t consider it sneaking out to just go outside right by your home for a chat with a friend who is sleeping over. A walk and a chat.

Sneaking out is to go to a green and drink with friends, or out to a pub to meet a boy, or hop on the train to London.

If the teen had taken a dog out at 2am for a piddle just round the corner the responses would be very different.

BunnyLake · 25/08/2024 10:52

A lot of people are getting confused with shouting once because of a potentially dangerous and scary situation and being from a dysfunctional shouty household.

We all know that constant shouting is bad parenting but there is nothing wrong with a shout for specific incident. How many non-shouty parents have yelled at their child for running into the road and said child cried. Doesn’t make make them a bad parent does it!

HRTQueen · 25/08/2024 10:51

There is nothing wrong with children seeing that their parents at times their emotions are heightened it’s later that discussions can happen on the dangers

no one is advocating shouting at children all the time

its reality it’s life a measured calm response is not what always happens in real life

GerbilsForever24 · 25/08/2024 10:47

BunnyLake · 25/08/2024 10:32

I don’t think a parent like this would be in my or my kids friendship circle to be honest. If that’s how a child is parented I can’t see them having anything in common with my own children at school.

haha - yes, 100%.

DS and this same friend got themselves into trouble at school a few months ago. I was a bit bemused that the head of year, at the end of our conversation, thanked me for being supportive of the school and the sanctions they put in place. It was a no brainer - they did something completely wrong and were punished for it. But what I have learnt is that many parents do not take this route and the teachers spend a lot of time struggling to get the parents to see the seriousness of certain behaviours.

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BunnyLake · 25/08/2024 10:42

ToBeDetermined · 25/08/2024 10:34

They are adults now. Didn’t need to shout at them to be successful.

Neither did I but I would have shouted at them had they done this. How did you deal with the situation yourself when yours sneaked out at 2am at 13?

bergamotorange · 25/08/2024 10:39

FOJN · 25/08/2024 08:38

I agree, this thread feels likes it's full of "boys will be boys" excuses. Yes teenagers do stupid risky things but if you take the same tone over this as you would with them treading mud over your clean floors then how are they to learn some things are far more serious than others. They went out and left a house unsecured in the middle of the night. There was a risk to them and to you. That is unacceptable and thoughtless.

I wouldn't have given them their phones back and I wouldn't apologise for shouting. I'm not a shouty person but I can understand your panic at finding them both missing in the middle of the night. Would you rather tell another child's parents you shouted at their child or that their child went missing/came to harm in your care?

I had two teenage stepsons who regularly used to leave doors unlocked and windows wide open when they left the house and no one else was at home. I tried very calm conversations with them about the risks and about how insurance would not cover any theft if the house had been left unsecured but it made no difference. I returned home one day to find the house totally unsecured again but this time I called the culprit, who was out having fun with friends, and made him come home to shut all the windows he had opened and left open. He was very annoyed at the inconvenience but guess what, he never did it again and clearly the lesson was also effective for his brother because he didn't either.

I'm quoted in here and so will respond.

There's nothing very useful about shouting, then apologising for shouting, confiscating phones, than apologising for confiscation and handing them back.

Shouting = mum's lost it in most cases. Few lessons learned, pretty useless with older teens, doubly so for those with additional risk evaluation issues.

I'd be happy to read a reputable parenting website or book that suggests shouting at a teen is the way forward - have you got a recommendation? Explanations and consequences are always said to be more effective. Boundaries can be enforced without shouting.

The getting them back to sort windows is an excellent natural consequence, and can be achieved without shouting.

GerbilsForever24 · 25/08/2024 10:37

Wow, lots of responses. It's been interesting. I can't respond to all but a few things:

The window thing is a specific issue - I don't know what they're called but we have those windows where they're either open a little from the top, or fully from the side. And when they're open fully from the side, they usually swing open all the way so that the window is completely uncovered. The particular window they used is the one that basically is next to the front door so about as visible as is possible to be. And as DH said when I spoke with him this morning (he's furious) he has repeatedly reminded DS that this window is a risk for all of us and he needs to be careful about keeping it properly closed (or open on the minor side). I did laugh at the people asking about not being allowed to open windows - we have many many windows in our house, all of which are regularly opened on the "top" way, but this specific window is never open at all at night, and definitely not open ALL the way.

@ToBeDetermined yes - I did specifically talk about a known gang of young teenagers causing problems in the neighbourhood. That was actually what got through to DS and why, I think, he was crying (in my bedroom, away from his friend) - he suddenly realised that these boys (who he has had run ins with in the past - one actually attacked him once) would 100% have come through our window and/or attacked him and his friend if they'd caught them or seen them. Ditto, a few weeks ago we had police in the neighbourbood as a group of boys (I assume the known gang, but I don't know) was going around destroying street signs in the middle of the night.

@BertieBotts useful, balanced advice in the context of ADHD as always. Thank you. There were a few others too, and I'm grateful to be reminded of the additional effort required with children with ADHD.

@MrRydersParlourGame The fact that DS did feel he could come to me upset and apologise means I think your comments are happening but I really like your mum's approach and I think I am going to be more explicit on that in the future.

I love all the refernces to "in a very scary way". I think actually, that was more in line with the teacher who can silence a crowd with a look - They knew I was being serious but I was absolutely furious but in control and I was "shouting" in that my voice was definitely raised. But as I said, I wasn't screaming and yelling.

@medik7 hahaha - right, I should easily have calmed down in just 10 minutes. I was on MN because my adrenaline was off the charts, I had sent them to bed and certainly didn't want to be down there berating them further. MN was a useful outlet to get opinions, express my frustration and NOT to give them a further bollocking while I calmed down.

Finally, I just want to say that actually, I agree that shouty parents are not great and that actually, a lot of the children with no boundaries etc come from the shouty households - I think it starts to roll off their backs and they just don't even notice it. One of the boys from the "gang" I referenced lives fairly close to us and I am afraid I have seen his mother and grandmother shouting at him on multiple occassions when he was younger. Clearly, as has been pointed out, that has not helped him at all. But there is a huge difference between being absolutely livid on one specific occasion when the boys behaved really really badly, and routinely shouting and screaming at them at all times and in all places.

THe friend is awake and DS is still asleep. I'm about to wake him up. I'll be reminding them both why this wasn't okay but there won't be any shouting at all. And the consequences are, not surprisingly I think, no sleepovers for a while. I won't be doing any further punishments. DS will be getting another bollocking from DH though who is even more annoyed about the window than me as he has had conversations with DS about that window and it's unique risks before.

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