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To get a teensy bit annoyed at visiting relative’s ever changing dietary restrictions?

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Koulibiak · 25/08/2024 00:18

Okay some ground rules: this is light hearted. Not a LTB thread. All of us will keep on trying to get along as best we can. But…

Recently we’ve been hosting a relative of DH with lots of dietary restrictions, which she informed us of prior to coming to stay with us (for two weeks). Specifically, no sour foods, no spicy foods, and no tomatoes. For religious/cultural reasons she also doesn’t eat pork or beef.

To be clear, I asked and she specifically said she couldn’t have anything containing citrus, vinegar, yogurt, sour cream, or tamarind. Also no tomatoes or anything hot (chillies).

Now I’ve got to say, I’m a very decent cook. But I have been finding the whole sour/spicy/tomatoes thing rather hard to accommodate. This rules out lots of Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Middle Eastern, Italian, Mexican, Persian etc recipes. I had to spend hours prior to her coming, going through my recipes and making changes so I would make things she could eat.

Then towards the end of her stay, she told me she was fine with “a bit” of lemon, a bit of tomatoes, a bit of chilli. I’m sorry what? I’ve been working my ass off accommodating her for two weeks, making all our food bland, and all of a sudden she’s fine with spices and yogurt and lemon juice? She even asked me to cook prawns with lemon and chilli powder on her last meal. Also ate dal (as a side dish) which I warned had dried chillies in, and had seconds.

I just think it’s a bit thoughtless to invent dietary restrictions you don’t actually have. It’s been stressful for me and I haven’t been able to serve them the best dishes I can make, as everything had to be made bland, and it now seems it was all pointless anyway.

In order to avoid drip feed accusations: DH doesn’t cook. At all. As in, can’t turn the hob on. So any suggestions that I should let DH cook for his relative are pointless. And no, he’s not going to change, as he was rubbish at it and found it very stressful when he cooked (years ago), whereas I’m good at it and it makes me happy to feed people.

I’m just a bit frazzled after two weeks of hosting, and I need a whinge. ☺️

AIBU to think making up blanket food restrictions is not on, when you’re actually fine with the foods?

Oh and yes the relative is MIL. But please let’s not make this a MIL thread 🙏

OP posts:
GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 25/08/2024 10:04

Is it something like acid reflux that she has? Those are the sorts of things you shouldn’t have with if you suffer from that - anything really acidic or spicy, and avoid tomatoes - but you could have a bit. So not an allergy but a medical condition.

Does she drink coffee? Coffee is about the worst thing for it.

Must be a pain to cater for her for you though.

deeahgwitch · 25/08/2024 09:59

Aquamarine1029 · 25/08/2024 00:53

Your husband has you well trained, I'll give him that.

Smile

I quite like baked potatoes and don't find them bland when filled with cheese.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 25/08/2024 09:58

I have a SIL like this, she has a new dietary restriction (not GP diagnosed) every time she visits, drives me bonkers. Can't eat gluten but somehow manages to pack away non-GF toast, pasta, crisps. Part way through a 2-week visit she announced she was dairy intolerant but somehow is absolutely fine when it comes to cakes and biscuits. Last time we ate out she ordered Thai green curry and then refused to eat it and made a fuss despite us and the waiter telling her it was dairy and gluten free. So now she gets a plain sauceless version of whatever meat or fish we're having, steamed veg, salad. Or is invited to cook for herself.

Finistereoverthere · 25/08/2024 09:18

Koulibiak · 25/08/2024 08:27

Thank you for the meal ideas! I’m not sure she would have risotto, I might try it next time. But she was happy with lamb goulash, couscous with dried fruit and feta, fish pie, miso chicken with aubergines, lamb boreke (minced in filo pastry), pasta with salmon.

@CurlewKate meat and two veg and potatoes is about as far from our normal diet as I can imagine. I honestly think DCs (teens) and DH would go into mutiny if I served that for two weeks, and I would also find that thoroughly miserable. MIL has also complained in the past when I served plain steamed green beans or broccoli, and hinted at how she likes them stir fried with spices (kinda like the “going for an English” comedy classic).

@Sfxde24 yes the tomato thing is difficult with Indian food. It’s not about whole raw tomatoes - she used to be fine with pizza, but won’t have that anymore because of the tomato sauce. But lately she’s told me she’s fine with a bit of passata or tom purée in a dish, so I’m none the wiser on where exactly to draw the line.

@FoxtrotOscarKindaDay I don’t know where you get that from - the prawn recipe she found in one of my cookbooks, and left it lying around for days until I asked if she wanted it 😊. I’d never done it before. It was really good though (Meera Sodha recipe).

Also to all those who asked: yes she often comes and stays, she knows I can cook, but every time she visits the list of restrictions is different from the time before so I can’t just serve her the same dishes. The sour thing is new.

No she’s not trying to test me, we get along fine.

Are you sure about the testing thing op?

I was very accommodating to my mil when I was newly married, went to great lengths to assure her comfort, and we were on cordial terms, but every time they came to stay I realised she made a fuss about bedding.

She either didn’t have enough pillows or she needed something to raise her feet up or an extra blanket despite providing extra blankets and pillows etc. It got to the point where I was stressing in John Lewis bedding dept and buying new comforters and triangular pillows and god knows what every time she stayed.

Anyway, it turned out that she was finding the transition to being matriarch in her own family and ruling the roost, to being a guest and having to fit in with another household’s rules, a tad difficult, and this bedding protest as we called it, was the one way she had of asserting her authority.

So I would address this politely but head on op and say to your mil that you took a lot of time and care to accommodate her dietary needs because you want her to feel welcome but, playing dumb, you are now confused because it turns out they are preferences? Could she please explain? Look her in the eye and leave the question hanging.

And if she would like to, maybe invite her to cook while you and your dh go out for the day, so that she feels she has some autonomy in your home? Or invite her to cook along with you?

Either way, I learned that my mil respected me more when I stood up to her slightly, found my back bone, and created some polite boundaries, rather than being too people pleasing all of the time. It shouldn’t be necessary but we actually got on better when I did this as we both knew where one another stood.

Hellostrawberries · 25/08/2024 09:11

I get that we all have different tastes but I genuinely wouldn't find that restrictive at all. Garlic and dill salmon steaks with new potatoes and asparagus, mushroom and leek mac n cheese, spinach and ricotta cannelloni, chicken sausages potato wedges and salad, lamb skewers with roast Mediterranean vegetables and rice, chicken and butterbean stew ... the list is endless! Again I get that we all have different tastes but I suspect you're irritated on principle. Not because you truly can't think of anything to cook.

AltitudeCheck · 25/08/2024 08:55

I'd make a few stand by 'safe' dishes that you can freeze (risotto, lasagne with veg instead of tomatoes in the sauce, mild sauces for curry type dishes etc) and then cook your normal family dinners (avoiding any that are mega spicy) and say to her " I've made xxx tonight, it has a squeeze of lemon juice/ tomatoe puree/ whatever in it, would you like to try that or I have made some <safe bland option> if you would prefer to eat that?" and then ask the next day how it was if she was OK or needs an alternative next time.

SadieDadie · 25/08/2024 08:54

Soundofshuna · 25/08/2024 00:33

We had a vegetarian to stay for 1 week.on the last day we went to the pub for Sunday lunch. She ordered roast beef…

I was vegetarian for years, I mostly still only eat vegetarian but I will eat certain things like roast beef or chicken depending on what it's in. After being veggie for so long it messes with your head.

PuppyMonkey · 25/08/2024 08:47

Yep, get her to look through your recipe books and pick stuff she likes. Or get DH to take her out to eat somewhere while you stay at home and get very drunk.

EveSix · 25/08/2024 08:45

Having read your updates (your prowess in the kitchen sounds amazing and very impressive, btw) I think that your guest (as we're not making it a MiL thread) is taking the micky. Complaining about your plain beans? Nope. How rude. Honestly, I can't begin to imagine complaining about any aspect of food cooked for me while visiting someone else's house! Char it, serve it cold, tip the whole saltcellar in it ‐all you'll get from me is a heartfelt thank you, because you did a nice thing, acting on your good intention to provide nourishment.
There was a thread recently about someone visiting a friend and was disappointed to be served strawberries and cream for desert; to me, this is the epitome of pretty much everything that is wrong with some people.

It sounds like you are going out of your way to be a kind and caring host, and your guest should count herself lucky.

needhelpwiththisplease · 25/08/2024 08:45

You reverse it.
Instead of asking what they can't eat, you ask them to send a list of ingredients and recipes that they can.

HoppityBun · 25/08/2024 08:39

The tomato thing is strange because it looks as though she does eat them after all! But it’s always struck me that tomatoes aren’t native to India and I have wondered what food was like in that area before they arrived. I’ve just googled “Indian food without tomatoes” and a lot of regional dishes come up. I’d be very interested to know what she says if you say straight out that you’re confused because you thought she couldn’t eat x,y and z? I have huge problems with a lot of chilli but I can cope with small amounts, though my stomach complains if I eat several meals with a little in. That’s difficult to explain. Onions and garlic, again, I prefer to avoid and the intolerance is getting worse as I get older, but I can manage a little, occasionally, to be polite. Again, it’s not easy to explain that

Elsewhere123 · 25/08/2024 08:33

Would relishes be an option. Cook mains bland and have dishes of relishes so you can enjoy the flavours still.

EveSix · 25/08/2024 08:32

Not RTFT but have periodically hosted my DSis whose health issues have regularly required experimental exclusions of certain foods.

I have found that flipping it around and asking for specific dishes (not just ingredients) a person can eat, as opposed to what they can't eat under the current restrictions, eradicates the need for extensive planning (and worrying about getting it wrong!).

Koulibiak · 25/08/2024 08:27

mitogoshi · 25/08/2024 05:59

Next time she comes I suggest making a chicken and vegetable risotto, paprika chicken, with peppers, butternut squash, garlic and new potatoes, try chicken(or better salmon if she'll eat it) with a soy, honey and ginger sauce plus rice top with chopped spring onions and sesame seeds if she can eat. Chickpea patties with hummus in pitta and saad with pomegranate and feta.

Thank you for the meal ideas! I’m not sure she would have risotto, I might try it next time. But she was happy with lamb goulash, couscous with dried fruit and feta, fish pie, miso chicken with aubergines, lamb boreke (minced in filo pastry), pasta with salmon.

@CurlewKate meat and two veg and potatoes is about as far from our normal diet as I can imagine. I honestly think DCs (teens) and DH would go into mutiny if I served that for two weeks, and I would also find that thoroughly miserable. MIL has also complained in the past when I served plain steamed green beans or broccoli, and hinted at how she likes them stir fried with spices (kinda like the “going for an English” comedy classic).

@Sfxde24 yes the tomato thing is difficult with Indian food. It’s not about whole raw tomatoes - she used to be fine with pizza, but won’t have that anymore because of the tomato sauce. But lately she’s told me she’s fine with a bit of passata or tom purée in a dish, so I’m none the wiser on where exactly to draw the line.

@FoxtrotOscarKindaDay I don’t know where you get that from - the prawn recipe she found in one of my cookbooks, and left it lying around for days until I asked if she wanted it 😊. I’d never done it before. It was really good though (Meera Sodha recipe).

Also to all those who asked: yes she often comes and stays, she knows I can cook, but every time she visits the list of restrictions is different from the time before so I can’t just serve her the same dishes. The sour thing is new.

No she’s not trying to test me, we get along fine.

OP posts:
rookiemere · 25/08/2024 08:18

Can you just chop up ingredients for what you would normally make and not add the spices etc. to her portion? This is what I used to do for DS when he was younger.

SquidGinn · 25/08/2024 08:10

FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 25/08/2024 00:59

That sounds like a you problem. I have food intolerances and allergies, I don't think my food is bland but I wouldn't eat excessively spicy food and your list of extensive cultures of food sounds over the top.

Your MIL maybe just has milder tastes and finds you use too much spice or tomatoes or whatever else so it's easier to say none. You could easily have accommodated her with baked potatoes or something similar without much effort. She's not the unreasonable one here especially if she doesn't speak English well.

But based on your first response to OPs post you said you didn’t think it was very restrictive and a potato was your first solution what other things would you dish up for a weeks stay minus those ingredients?

InfiniteTeas · 25/08/2024 08:06

I have a family member who used to make up dietary restrictions for herself or her kids - but not actually communicate them until she arrived for Christmas and announced that they couldn't eat any of it. The first time it happened, we spent ages in the kitchen trying to cook new food with the few pans/dishes left unused, only for her to tuck into a load of sweets and chocolate that contained two of the main things she'd said they couldn't eat. The following year, we'd learned our lesson after multiple instances of her claiming she couldn't eat somewhere we'd arranged to meet, or sulking because her parents hadn't anticipated the complete change of dietary requirements in advance of a visit. No new food was cooked - she was just waved in the direction of the kitchen and told to rummage. Miraculously, she managed to eat the entire dinner after all. They now all eat entirely normally, but she tries to control everyone through other means - timings, arrangements etc. Most family members have entirely disengaged.

violetsparkle · 25/08/2024 08:04

It's probably that she can't eat these things regularly maybe she's trying yo be helpful at the end of her visit seeing how bored you must be of the food? Or she doesn't mind if she gets the shits at your house now she's settled in a bit?

GRex · 25/08/2024 08:04

brenzi · 25/08/2024 07:29

Disordered eating is specifically a term used to exclude eating disorders but includes strange behaviour around eating ie. Saying you are gluten/ dairy intolerant to avoid ordering a pudding but then eating those things in your own home

No, you are wrong. Disordered eating includes those with a specific diagnosis (who may exhibit disordered eating more often), and those without, but it is not minor quirks related to puddings. Example link for definitions - https://www.eatright.org/health/health-conditions/eating-disorders/what-is-disordered-eating.

If you genuinely felt that a friend was struggling, then you would be concerned instead of stroppy about how some food choices inconvenienced you. It isn't a laughing matter.

Koulibiak · 25/08/2024 07:52

@RubyOrca that sounds similar to MIL - intolerances that are triggered if she has too much of something. I think she has a chronic stomach condition that flares up if she doesn’t manage it. I completely understand that she doesn’t want to give me a daily condition report on her gut - so the easier option for her is to say she can’t eat these things at all.

As an example, she now asks for the “bland” food option on planes. But I’m guessing she probably misses spicy/sour/ food and allows herself to cheat occasionally.

There is no language barrier, she speaks perfectly fine English, she’s just not good at describing recipes.

OP posts:
Sfxde24 · 25/08/2024 07:39

If you cook mainly Indian food normally and she has said she is ok with a bit of tomato I would get to the bottom of that. So much Indian food has a tomato base. Maybe she just worries about being served tomato in its recognisable form which is very common with fussy eaters.

Maria1979 · 25/08/2024 07:30

Koulibiak · 25/08/2024 00:18

Okay some ground rules: this is light hearted. Not a LTB thread. All of us will keep on trying to get along as best we can. But…

Recently we’ve been hosting a relative of DH with lots of dietary restrictions, which she informed us of prior to coming to stay with us (for two weeks). Specifically, no sour foods, no spicy foods, and no tomatoes. For religious/cultural reasons she also doesn’t eat pork or beef.

To be clear, I asked and she specifically said she couldn’t have anything containing citrus, vinegar, yogurt, sour cream, or tamarind. Also no tomatoes or anything hot (chillies).

Now I’ve got to say, I’m a very decent cook. But I have been finding the whole sour/spicy/tomatoes thing rather hard to accommodate. This rules out lots of Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Middle Eastern, Italian, Mexican, Persian etc recipes. I had to spend hours prior to her coming, going through my recipes and making changes so I would make things she could eat.

Then towards the end of her stay, she told me she was fine with “a bit” of lemon, a bit of tomatoes, a bit of chilli. I’m sorry what? I’ve been working my ass off accommodating her for two weeks, making all our food bland, and all of a sudden she’s fine with spices and yogurt and lemon juice? She even asked me to cook prawns with lemon and chilli powder on her last meal. Also ate dal (as a side dish) which I warned had dried chillies in, and had seconds.

I just think it’s a bit thoughtless to invent dietary restrictions you don’t actually have. It’s been stressful for me and I haven’t been able to serve them the best dishes I can make, as everything had to be made bland, and it now seems it was all pointless anyway.

In order to avoid drip feed accusations: DH doesn’t cook. At all. As in, can’t turn the hob on. So any suggestions that I should let DH cook for his relative are pointless. And no, he’s not going to change, as he was rubbish at it and found it very stressful when he cooked (years ago), whereas I’m good at it and it makes me happy to feed people.

I’m just a bit frazzled after two weeks of hosting, and I need a whinge. ☺️

AIBU to think making up blanket food restrictions is not on, when you’re actually fine with the foods?

Oh and yes the relative is MIL. But please let’s not make this a MIL thread 🙏

I feel for you. Making all these efforts for nothing. Are you sure she didn't "test" you, like wanted to be difficult do that she could whine about how you did not accomodate her needs afterwards? If that was the case 1-0 to you OP:).
The polite thing to do when you are invited is to make as little of a fuss as possible: only cite allergies (confirmed) or dietary requests that you always stick to (vegan/vegetarian/religious). I have hosted a boy with Arfid who only ate pasta with nothing on, like no butter/sauce/olive oil. His mum said it's hard for him to be invited somewhere becaause of this. I told her I'd never had an easier guest to accomodate🤣

Koulibiak · 25/08/2024 07:29

@MrsCatE I wish MIL still cooked! She used to cook amazing food, but she has completely stopped now. FIL was also a good cook, but he also doesn’t cook anymore.

OP posts:
brenzi · 25/08/2024 07:29

GRex · 25/08/2024 05:54

Lactose issues can mean an issue with cream or milk, plus cream in dishes. Chocolate, cheap ice cream (not real cream) and anything cooked like cake or biscuits would still be fine. I think you misunderstood your friend's issues rather than it being "disordered eating" (an extreme term to use, usually reserved for anorexia etc).

Disordered eating is specifically a term used to exclude eating disorders but includes strange behaviour around eating ie. Saying you are gluten/ dairy intolerant to avoid ordering a pudding but then eating those things in your own home

FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 25/08/2024 07:19

@ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash I agree with you, wouldn't stay with someone who felt that inconvenienced by imo not restrictive dietary requirements.

The baked potatoes was slightly sarcastic in that OPs description of what she couldn't cook was OTT. Very much siding with MIL on this one. Even more so with further updates that MIL has favourite food OP cooks so this is a completely non issue for a couple of weeks when she could have just cooked things she knew she'd eat.