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Why super fast trials for some but not for others?

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NoProblems · 24/08/2024 21:57

There have been super fast trials and sentencing for the recent anti-immigrant rioters, rightly so.

Why can't there be equally super fast trials for Huw Edwards and those like him?

Why not for those who attacked police officers at Manchester airport?

Why not for the police officer who was caught kicking a man lying on the ground?

The facts have or should have already been gathered, so what are they waiting for?

I don't want to get into long discussions or arguments, but I think once a person has been arrested, they should be charged and tried fairly quickly, and there should be no queue jumping in trials.

Huw Edwards should have been tried and charged/acquitted a long time ago.

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SummerSnowstorm · 24/08/2024 22:28

They have been sped through as a deterrent. The justice system is largely about deterrence of future crime, and in this situation a quick reminder of the outcome of rioting was needed.

Much like when one child is sent to the headmasters office at school, the rest of the class will generally settle down. Its basic human behaviour.

Merryoldgoat · 24/08/2024 22:22

Hepherlous · 24/08/2024 22:19

Swift sentencing post guilty plea isn't surprising or unusual. But the CPS having all the evidence (witness statements and exhibits) gathered and served on the defence in time for the first hearing is. That's the bit that can take months post charge and has been very impressively expedited in these cases. If only in every case......

Which of the rioters have been to trial so fast then?

Hepherlous · 24/08/2024 22:19

Swift sentencing post guilty plea isn't surprising or unusual. But the CPS having all the evidence (witness statements and exhibits) gathered and served on the defence in time for the first hearing is. That's the bit that can take months post charge and has been very impressively expedited in these cases. If only in every case......

ApolloandDaphne · 24/08/2024 22:18

They didn't have a trial. They pled guilty then were sentenced. It takes a while to build a case if someone pleads not guilty.

RafaistheKingofClay · 24/08/2024 22:15

As others have said those sentence so far have admitted guilt so haven’t been through trials only sentencing. There’s also an element that the speed of the arrests and sentencing was part of the strategy to stop the riots in the same way that it was a strategy in the 2011 riots. Dealing with rioting that is spreading across the country is different to dealing with individual crimes which aren’t spreading in the same way. Even drunken idiots will think twice before deliberately going to a riot once they’ve seen they will get a 2 year sentence and the courts mean it.

The pitiful state of the justice system at the moment is a whole different kettle of fish and it has been on the verge of the collapse (literally in the case of quite a few court buildings) for a while. Turns out it’s a bad idea for successive governments to be ‘tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime’ if you aren’t going to build more prison cells. You can’t have a trial if there are no cells to put people in if they are found guilty.

HelloMiss · 24/08/2024 22:11

Worked though.....the riots appeared to have suddenly stopped!

justasking111 · 24/08/2024 22:10

I think the courts have been doing a lot of overtime well into the night as well

ghostyslovesheets · 24/08/2024 22:09

They pled guilty - no trial you just move to sentencing - those who didn;t plead guilty will have a trial - but I think you know that.

Merryoldgoat · 24/08/2024 22:07

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Quite.

Merryoldgoat · 24/08/2024 22:07

NoProblems · 24/08/2024 22:00

I should have said charged and sentenced or acquitted a long time ago.

You sound like you don’t really understand what you’re talking about at all.

You can’t be sentenced until you either plead guilty or are found guilty.

HelloMiss · 24/08/2024 22:06

op.....who has 'queue jumped' a trial??

NuffSaidSam · 24/08/2024 22:05

There aren't the resources for super quick trials for everyone.

Some cases are more complicated than others.

JaniceBattersby · 24/08/2024 22:04

Huw Edwards had already pleaded guilty. They are awaiting reports before he can be sentenced. These can take many months, again because of the backlogs in the criminal justice system and appointing medics and probation officers (those pesky cuts again) to write them.

cardibach · 24/08/2024 22:03

What @WingSluts says.
The super fast sentencing is of people who have pleaded guilty, so no trial required. There’s no queue jumping. Trials take a long time because like everything else post Tory government there’s a long waiting list.

TickingAlongNicely · 24/08/2024 22:02

I was under the impression that they had pleaded guilty?

A drink driver in our local area has had a similarly fast outcome (they took out an electricity substation so it was big deal locally)

HelloMiss · 24/08/2024 22:02

Courts, court dates....all differ... so many variables

Always been that way

WingSluts · 24/08/2024 22:01

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JaniceBattersby · 24/08/2024 22:01

Yes everyone should have the right to justice in a timely
manner.

You will have seen the well-publicised cuts to the criminal justice system in the past 14 years that have meant that many trials have faced delay after delay. Have you ever raised that publicly, or with your MP? Or is it just now that racist are before the courts that it’s become an issue for you?

Nobody involved in the riots has yet faced a trial. All those sentenced have pleaded guilty. If you plead guilty you can expect to see your case concluded much, much more quickly than if you need a trial. The delays are mostly in fitting trials into crown courts because of the huge backlogs.

NoProblems · 24/08/2024 22:00

I should have said charged and sentenced or acquitted a long time ago.

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