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to stop in motorway SOS lay-by so DD could wee

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TheWrongBus · 24/08/2024 11:29

Genuine question, curious if there is an official/legal answer.

Driving to West Country, inevitably stuck in bad traffic jams on M25, DD9 suggests she may need a wee at some point but we’re only about an hour away from our lunch stop so I tell her ideally we’ll push through.

What I didn’t realise is that she’d drunk half her (large) bottle of water before we left home. She admits this just as we’re joining the M3 where there are seemingly permanent roadworks, no hard shoulder and emergency SOS lay-byes only.

I check and we’re around 25 minutes from the next services and at least 15 minutes from the next junction. Daughter at this point starts to cry because she’s so desperate so we decide to pull into the SOS lay-bye and hubby takes her behind the crash barrier for a wee. From what he reports it’s clearly not the first time this spot has been used in this way….

I don’t like using the lay-bye for this purpose and appreciate there are dangers to stopping there but I’m not sure what else we could have done. With the M25 traffic and the M3 roadworks I think it was at least 50 minutes between the previous M25 junction and the next M3 junction and literally nowhere we could stop between. So what else could we have done?

Am hoping they don’t fine people for using these lay-byes in a non-emergency, but given daughter literally about to wet herself isn’t it arguably a medical emergency anyway?

OP posts:
angelinaballerina7 · 24/08/2024 12:27

Nanny0gg · 24/08/2024 12:20

You're absolutely bonkers and shouldn't be trusted out with your grandchildren

It must be so nice to have the power to control other road users to prevent them colliding with you!

edit - this is for @GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER

Whaleandsnail6 · 24/08/2024 12:27

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 24/08/2024 12:17

What over-dramatic rubbish. 2 minutes on an empty hard shoulder, on a road we’re very familiar with. It wasn’t dark, or even during the rush hour.

Its not over dramatic rubbish... knowing the road has nothing to do with it, you dont know what is going to happn to vehicles travelling on that road no matter how well you know it.

Milkyway1213 · 24/08/2024 12:24

OP, wouldn't you rather have your Daughter crying and wetting herself in the car if need be, or potentially seriously injured or most likely dead after being hit by another vehicle?

Mysinglepringle · 24/08/2024 12:24

This is absolutely ridiculous. 2 family members were killed because idiots did this. You acted irresponsibly and expect people to validate your excuses. You didn't plan your journey properly and put yourself and your daughter in danger because of the "emergency" of not wanting her to wet herself.

sunsetsandboardwalks · 24/08/2024 12:21

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 24/08/2024 12:17

What over-dramatic rubbish. 2 minutes on an empty hard shoulder, on a road we’re very familiar with. It wasn’t dark, or even during the rush hour.

It doesn't have to be dark or rush hour for someone to have an accident Hmm

LittleYellowCloth · 24/08/2024 12:21

DH worked at the Highways Agency, as it was then, in the 1990s. The stats then showed that the average length of time a vehicle stood stationary on the hard shoulder before being crashed into was 7 minutes.

Never stop unless a genuine emergency.

welshweasel · 24/08/2024 12:21

I'd let my kids wet themselves rather than stop on the motorway. The only reason I would stop is if I broke down, or if I was medically incapacitated to the extent I couldn't drive. We've had to drive with kids covered in vomit until we could pull off at services, it's not pleasant but there is a good reason it's illegal to stop on the hard shoulder for a wee!

Nanny0gg · 24/08/2024 12:21

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 24/08/2024 12:17

What over-dramatic rubbish. 2 minutes on an empty hard shoulder, on a road we’re very familiar with. It wasn’t dark, or even during the rush hour.

Nope. You're a fool

Nanny0gg · 24/08/2024 12:20

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 24/08/2024 12:12

It might not be an official emergency, but we’ve stopped twice on the M25 hard shoulder to let Gds of 3 or 4 have a wee. It was a question both times of a max of about 2 minutes, and yes, I know you’re not supposed to, but I honestly can’t feel bad or guilty about it.
Please don’t worry about it any more, OP.

You're absolutely bonkers and shouldn't be trusted out with your grandchildren

WhistPie · 24/08/2024 12:19

M3 J1 has a Tesco right by it
J2 is the M25
J3 has Longacres garden centre by it, or a Sainsbury's along the A322
J4 has a Sainsbury's by it.

All for future reference if you need a toilet, though you could have found all this out by using Google maps, very easily

drspouse · 24/08/2024 12:18

Which is better
a) wet pants and car seat or
b) dead?

We've had vomiting and wet car seats. No stopping for those
We've also had a flat on the motorway and sat behind the car (we weren't near a barrier) and it was very scary. Took about 40 minutes for the AA to come. It was 4 years ago and the DCs still talk about how loud it was.

usernamedifferent · 24/08/2024 12:18

I always have some sort of container with a lid in the car for this sort of thing. Never had to use it for a wee yet, but it was very useful when my daughter suddenly felt sick with not much warning. She threw up in it and we put the lid on and waited until the next services to sort it out.

lalalapland · 24/08/2024 12:18

Lonelycrab · 24/08/2024 12:11

So how long does 4 or 6 miles take when you’re traveling at 50mph?

Answer: a few minutes.

You don’t need to necessarily get off the motorway and find a public toilet, just a lay-by or somewhere you can pull off to go behind some bushes as I’m sure we’ve all done at some point in our life. It doesn’t take long to find this.

sorry wrong person!

Nanny0gg · 24/08/2024 12:17

TheWrongBus · 24/08/2024 11:51

Having checked back on the map, I think from point of her telling me she needed a wee there was nowhere to stop for 45-50
minutes - the M3 junction takes you straight from the M25, there’s no option to come off, and there wasn’t anywhere we could have stopped earlier.

Also, the lay-bye was big enough for at least 3 other cars or an HGV so it’s highly unlikely we were depriving anyone else of using it.

But I do take the point that’s arguably not/not a medical emergency and that it can be v dangerous to stop in these lay-byes.

Until this happened today I honestly thought I wouldn’t stop in these circumstances, and I’d have argued the same as the rest of you (I’m very much a “rules control the fun” kinda gal!). But with daughter crying/about to wet her car seat and no junction for another 15 mins, I didn’t take much persuading that we should stop.

Your fault

She should have 'gone' before the motorway but her wetting herself is not the end of the world

What you did was incredibly dangerous - what if you'd been hit by a lorry?

I hope you were caught on camera/

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 24/08/2024 12:17

sunsetsandboardwalks · 24/08/2024 12:14

You're incredibly lucky that nothing happened to any of you.

What a stupid thing to do - honestly.

What over-dramatic rubbish. 2 minutes on an empty hard shoulder, on a road we’re very familiar with. It wasn’t dark, or even during the rush hour.

FatherConfesserTheGuesser · 24/08/2024 12:15

sunsetsandboardwalks · 24/08/2024 12:14

You're incredibly lucky that nothing happened to any of you.

What a stupid thing to do - honestly.

And with grandkids. If my parents did this they wouldn't be allowed the kids again.

Different doing it once like OP and the seeing the issue to doing it regularly and not caring.

lalalapland · 24/08/2024 12:15

That is not ok, you can't stop on the motorway just for a pee. Plan better!

I can think of some fairly minor health/medical reasons where it would be acceptable to stop - but only if it was the driver, and therefore you'd otherwise cause an accident. If a passenger is sick etc you just need to keep driving to the next exit.

Rubyandscarlett · 24/08/2024 12:15

Rubyandscarlett · 24/08/2024 12:13

Did it myeelf last week on the M11 op - l was swearing l was that desperate. Wasn't ideal but felt like l had no choice and would rather never have to do it again.

Sweating not swearing!

marymaggers · 24/08/2024 12:14

it will take quite a while to get off the motorway, even then you need to be a local to find toilets

I don't know this route well enough to comment on the accuracy of the time it would have taken to get off but you should have aimed for the first opportunity to leave the motorway. In urgent situations you don't drive around looking for the nearest public loos, you find a tree or hedge to go behind!

I met a couple on holiday once that did exactly this - pulled onto the hard shoulder to have a desperate pee. Police caught them and they were charged/fined.

sunsetsandboardwalks · 24/08/2024 12:14

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 24/08/2024 12:12

It might not be an official emergency, but we’ve stopped twice on the M25 hard shoulder to let Gds of 3 or 4 have a wee. It was a question both times of a max of about 2 minutes, and yes, I know you’re not supposed to, but I honestly can’t feel bad or guilty about it.
Please don’t worry about it any more, OP.

You're incredibly lucky that nothing happened to any of you.

What a stupid thing to do - honestly.

Rubyandscarlett · 24/08/2024 12:13

Did it myeelf last week on the M11 op - l was swearing l was that desperate. Wasn't ideal but felt like l had no choice and would rather never have to do it again.

FatherConfesserTheGuesser · 24/08/2024 12:13

Lonelycrab · 24/08/2024 12:11

So how long does 4 or 6 miles take when you’re traveling at 50mph?

Answer: a few minutes.

You don’t need to necessarily get off the motorway and find a public toilet, just a lay-by or somewhere you can pull off to go behind some bushes as I’m sure we’ve all done at some point in our life. It doesn’t take long to find this.

6 miles at 30mph (allowing for the crap M3) is still only 12 minutes

VickyEadieofThigh · 24/08/2024 12:12

TheWrongBus · 24/08/2024 11:51

Having checked back on the map, I think from point of her telling me she needed a wee there was nowhere to stop for 45-50
minutes - the M3 junction takes you straight from the M25, there’s no option to come off, and there wasn’t anywhere we could have stopped earlier.

Also, the lay-bye was big enough for at least 3 other cars or an HGV so it’s highly unlikely we were depriving anyone else of using it.

But I do take the point that’s arguably not/not a medical emergency and that it can be v dangerous to stop in these lay-byes.

Until this happened today I honestly thought I wouldn’t stop in these circumstances, and I’d have argued the same as the rest of you (I’m very much a “rules control the fun” kinda gal!). But with daughter crying/about to wet her car seat and no junction for another 15 mins, I didn’t take much persuading that we should stop.

There's no "arguably" about it - it's NOT a medical emergency. If she wets herself and the seat, that's your problem and not an excuse for illegal use of an emergency area.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 24/08/2024 12:12

It might not be an official emergency, but we’ve stopped twice on the M25 hard shoulder to let Gds of 3 or 4 have a wee. It was a question both times of a max of about 2 minutes, and yes, I know you’re not supposed to, but I honestly can’t feel bad or guilty about it.
Please don’t worry about it any more, OP.

Lonelycrab · 24/08/2024 12:11

NotOnlyFedUpButAlso · 24/08/2024 12:02

Yeah, I don't want to derail the thread but that's not really right, is it. The first junction is the A322, which is about 6 miles, after that its the A331, another 4 miles, all the M3 is under the 50 mph roadworks limit for this stretch, so the OP is right, it will take quite a while to get off the motorway, even then you need to be a local to find toilets. There aren't "plenty" of junctions and they're not a "few minutes" apart!

(Still in the wrong to stop though!)

So how long does 4 or 6 miles take when you’re traveling at 50mph?

Answer: a few minutes.

You don’t need to necessarily get off the motorway and find a public toilet, just a lay-by or somewhere you can pull off to go behind some bushes as I’m sure we’ve all done at some point in our life. It doesn’t take long to find this.