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Next door neighbour dilema

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AutisSon · 24/08/2024 10:01

Not sure if AIBU and need other views. There is a big tree that is right in between mine and my next door neighbour house. It is clear in our deeds that is both our responsibility to look after it. It is also protected so everything has to be done properly. Next door lady is nice enough, but she likes to just do things without consulting with us. Three years ago she dropped me a message to say that a tree surgeon was coming the following day to trim the tree, and that we needed to pay half of it. I didn't like this as we should have looked together to a couple of quotes and decide. We footed £400 for half of the work. She also had other bushes trimmed etc which she said they were paid by her separately. I asked her for the invoice and she never sent it. Ever since I was a bit crossed with her and told her so. A few months ago there was quite a bit of wind and she was in a state of panic, called another tree surgeon but I was very clear that I would only pay for the tree if it was a safety hazard amd needed trimming. The tree surgeon clearly said that there was nothing wrong with the tree so that was left like that. Last night she texted me to say that she has booked the tree for a trim early December. AIBU to be mad at her? I replied saying that while I appreciate her to organise this I would have liked to see more quotes and speak with the tree surgeon myself. I don't even know how much I am expected to pay😡

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Codlingmoths · 24/08/2024 14:46

If it’s £4K I’d say I’ve been really clear. I won’t pay a penny unless I’ve been provided with copies of at least two quotes. Not a penny. So you cancel this one, or you send me the quote and get another one asap, so I can look at the two, or you pay it all. This is very expensive and I can’t keep having this conversation. I have never told you I’ve booked something costing £4K and you owe me half.

AutisSon · 24/08/2024 14:42

AutisSon · 24/08/2024 14:41

Thank you. She moved in 2020 and I have been in my house since 2004. Since then the tree had work done 4 times but it was only a small trim on branches that were dead on on deed diseased. Never paid more than £300 each time. Is a massive tree. Since she moved here she is petrified of the tree falling on her house but genuinely I think she is overworrying.

Sorry also to say that she has already agreed with the work. I could certainly go out and get a quote but that won't be to trim dead or diseased branches, but indeed to trim the tree down significantly with everything that that would involved.

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AutisSon · 24/08/2024 14:41

CatMum10 · 24/08/2024 12:25

What have you done to look after the tree and did you consult her first? Why is she always instigating the work? December is a lot of notice so you have time to get your own quotes.

Thank you. She moved in 2020 and I have been in my house since 2004. Since then the tree had work done 4 times but it was only a small trim on branches that were dead on on deed diseased. Never paid more than £300 each time. Is a massive tree. Since she moved here she is petrified of the tree falling on her house but genuinely I think she is overworrying.

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Sheeplesss · 24/08/2024 12:49

That is a fortune to trim a tree...4k.
Not a chance I would be paying 2k regularly for a tree.
You need to get really firm with her and speak to the council about EXACTLY what your obliged are.

Raree · 24/08/2024 12:41

Have you seen the invoices? Are they legit? 800 is mad for a tree trim, say you'll get some quotes yourself and indeed do that, when they come out at the proper price you then need to have a conversation as to where the the other 600 went on the last ones, I'm guessing in her pocket cheeky bitch

CatMum10 · 24/08/2024 12:25

What have you done to look after the tree and did you consult her first? Why is she always instigating the work? December is a lot of notice so you have time to get your own quotes.

protectthesmallones · 24/08/2024 11:45

sequin2000 · 24/08/2024 10:30

£800 to trim a tree?? Obviously there may be size differences but I've never paid more than £150 for mine from a qualified tree surgeon.

Ours was £800 last year. Huge 90 foot tree with TPO requiring specialist team to scale the tree and cut and lower trimmed branches to a waiting vehicle. It took them all day.

I think £800 inc vat is probably about right.

rwalker · 24/08/2024 11:27

She’s booking work and expecting you to appear with a blank cheque

reiterate going forward discuss any potential work prior to getting quotes and agree

but it’s also up to you to organise some of these quotes

MereDintofPandiculation · 24/08/2024 11:21

native trees live in the wild for years without having a finger laid on them. This!

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but you shouldn't have agreed to the work the first time and please don't do it again. Certainly don't agree unless you've seen the letter from the Council giving permission for it to be trimmed.

godmum56 · 24/08/2024 11:17

I have had protected trees in my garden for over 30 years now. Agree with the TPO stuff and a decent tree firm won't touch it without the correct paperwork because the council won't be happy with them either and, at least round here, a good proportion of work comes from the local councils who have care of public trees. The only circumstances where a tree firm can touch a protected tree without prior council permission is if the tree is dead, dying diseased or dangerous and needs immediate attention. They are putting their own rep with the council on the line if they do this. Trees do need keeping an eye on but they need trimming when they need trimming and there is no set timescale. They may need trimming or crown lifting to benefit the home owner but its certainly not to benefit the tree. native trees live in the wild for years without having a finger laid on them. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but you shouldn't have agreed to the work the first time and please don't do it again. Tell her so in writing! 4k is a shedload of money to pay. I had an entire (unprotected) tree removed last year in an expensive part of the south and it cost me 33

Seeline · 24/08/2024 10:53

All works to a TPO tree require prior approval - there are bug fines for unauthorised works.
That is the same thought England and Wales (probably Scotland, but they do have different systems).
Depends on the type of tree, but it wouldn't be unusual to require trimming every 5 years or so. All trees should be regularly inspected by a qualified arboriculturalist to make sure it is healthy. Regular trimming keeps it healthy.

Never rely on a tree surgeon to make the necessary applications - always check. As the owner, you will be liable for any fines.

PureBoggin · 24/08/2024 10:52

As others have said let her know in writing that she must consult with you prior to any work being agreed. That you both must agree on who carries out the work. That you get three quotes from different companies.

£4k is a lot of money for trimming a tree!!!

Tel12 · 24/08/2024 10:49

£800 for 1 tree? I have 4 oaks with TPOs on them and that's what I pay for all of them. Definitely refuse to pay without seeing the quotes and make sure the contractor has the necessary permission.

AmandaHoldensLips · 24/08/2024 10:47

MereDintofPandiculation · 24/08/2024 10:17

You are allowed to trim it with prior permission from the Council, following an assessment by a qualified arborist, and the work has to be done by a qualified arborists.

You are absolutely correct. I had a couple of TPO trees in a previous home. You can't touch them without permission from the council.

FOJN · 24/08/2024 10:46

AutisSon · 24/08/2024 10:26

Thank you. Yes is totally right. Is a big tree. However is not that I don't like her suggestions, is that this is something that we both need to look at together. She can't arramge the work to be done without consulting. I appreciate her being careful and caring about the tree, but this doesn't mean to go ahead with whatever she decides.

Well she'll continue to arrange trimming without consultation as long as you pay up whenever she asks. I would not have paid last time without seeing an invoice. Refuse to pay and she'll either foot the bill or start discussing arrangements with you beforehand.

PolePrince55 · 24/08/2024 10:46

I wouldn't pay if I didn't see 3 itemised quotes

Glittertwins · 24/08/2024 10:45

The "every 3-5 years" sounds like someone is out to print money.
Ours were done before we moved in and it was 20 years before they were done again - at no point was it suggested to be at regular intervals and they are a respected and well established company.

AutisSon · 24/08/2024 10:42

Thank you all. I have just been out talking with them. She has been quoted £4k as she is worried that the tree 'creeks' when is windy and she is scared that it may fall on her house. I think she is overworrying. Without my knowledge she has gone and agreed a quote and indeed apply to the council to trim 20% of the tree. I am on the phone to the council on Tuesday and get this sorted ASAP as I don't want to be in trouble. I appreciate her being proactive but I also think she is actually too worried. I didn't realised but we actually trimmed down two years ago, and apparently needs trimming between 3-5 years. Maybe AIBU a bit, thank you all!

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Glittertwins · 24/08/2024 10:42

Also TPOs in place so the tree surgeons put in for the necessary permissions.
Quote was also shared with neighbours prior to booking in.

thinkfast · 24/08/2024 10:42

WigglyVonWaggly · 24/08/2024 10:37

I think this sounds suss. I find £800 for a tree trim a surprisingly high amount. My garden has many trees and not one has ever cost more than £200. We had an entire tree removed to the root by a arborist for £500 last month and we are in S. London. No wonder you aren’t seeing quotes and invoices. You now need to say no: you will not be going halves on work which is sprung on you suddenly, and you will need to see three quotes before it’s booked, and you will require an invoice.

£800 doesn't sound abnormal to me given what we would pay in north London. Also the cost would include the application to the council for permission for the tree works.

Glittertwins · 24/08/2024 10:41

£800 for one tree? We didn't pay much more for 4 trees and we were pleasantly surprised it was less than we had thought. The trees we had done are not on our property but were impacting it. We could have just had our side done and left it like that but we did speak to all the neighbours and we all agreed for it to be done as well as the price first.

TruffleShuffles · 24/08/2024 10:40

TheFlis · 24/08/2024 10:34

Are you 100% sure on this? In my area, any work at all done on a tree with a TPO needs permission. Fines for not having it can be massive so be very careful.

Agree with this, we have 6 trees with TPOs on our land and we must have permission to cut them, it takes ages too so would in no way be ready if booked now for December.

Edited to add that £800 is very high. We pay that for the four at the front of our house and that includes out surgeon submitting the application for permission to trim the trees for us too.

timenowplease · 24/08/2024 10:39

sequin2000 · 24/08/2024 10:30

£800 to trim a tree?? Obviously there may be size differences but I've never paid more than £150 for mine from a qualified tree surgeon.

This.

Also for people wondering, a proper tree surgeon will apply to the council themselves for the permission to work on the tree.

WigglyVonWaggly · 24/08/2024 10:37

I think this sounds suss. I find £800 for a tree trim a surprisingly high amount. My garden has many trees and not one has ever cost more than £200. We had an entire tree removed to the root by a arborist for £500 last month and we are in S. London. No wonder you aren’t seeing quotes and invoices. You now need to say no: you will not be going halves on work which is sprung on you suddenly, and you will need to see three quotes before it’s booked, and you will require an invoice.

Wishimaywishimight · 24/08/2024 10:37

You seem to be leaving everything up to her then complaining about what she does. Why not tell her you will organise the next trim?

I would be grateful to her for taking on the 'mental load' of this task and happily pay up. As it is she is doing all the arranging plus paying half. All you have to do is write a cheque.