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AIBU to say it's not "ect"

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IceCreamWoes · 23/08/2024 21:21

I've seen about 8 threads in the last 2 days with posters writing ect when they obviously mean etc. I probably am being U but it really does irrationally fucking irritate me!

I need to get out more, yes. I've had two (big) glasses of wine 😂.

So, am I?

OP posts:
murasaki · 24/08/2024 16:39

He then got on a roll and followed it up with 'Alas poor Yorick, I knew him well.'. Dear reader, I nearly defenestrated him.

murasaki · 24/08/2024 16:37

Mostly true with the feeling not acting, although DP did get an extended lecture on Ancient Greek grammar post 'the hoi polloi'. But that's in the privacy of my own house, and he won't be doing it again. Or rather he will, just to wind me up! I think I've made a major mistake by correcting him. His particular favourite is 'lead on Macduff' as he knows it drives me insane.

Abitofalark · 24/08/2024 16:36

Zita60 · 24/08/2024 16:24

"Off of" irritates me too.

Another one is "cover off on", when someone is saying that they are about to cover a topic. It's come from America, but it's getting more common in the UK now.

Also...

"alternate" being used instead of "alternative".

And...

"attendee" instead of "attender" for someone who attends something (e.g. a conference), "retiree" instead of "retirer" for someone who retires, and "escapee" instead of "escaper" for someone who escapes.

In each case " er" is the person doing the verb and " ee" is the person it's done to (e.g. an employer employs an employee).

But all of these are well and truly lost now.

Edited

There was a time when they used to have written in the bus "10 'standees' 20 seated." The horror! Mercifully they now write "10 standing..."

Ilovecleaning · 24/08/2024 16:30

IceCreamWoes · 24/08/2024 12:19

I wasn't being unkind when I made this thread, to those of you that thought that was my aim. I wouldn't correct someone's errors in response to a thread they started with ect in so I made my own.

I like being corrected (and there are some on here I definitely use and won't in the future now!).

I don't think adverbs were ever properly explained to me before my mother-in-law pulled me up on it about 15 years ago and I was pleased she did. I don't want to sound like an idiot but these things pass us by or we forget, or become influenced by language from loads of sources (friends, social media etc). My sibling was thankful I explained bought/brought to them. Same for the I/me debate when it was explained to me in an easy to understand way.

I think language can annoy the fuck out of you when used badly/incorrectly but that in itself doesn't make you an arsehole.

Usually it's because people don't know they are using the wrong word or grammar. I think it depends if you're someone who wants to improve the way you communicate. I can see the other side though, if you're embarrassed about your written communication or defensive about your education, then most likely you'll not take the correction in the spirit it was intended.

I've enjoyed understanding what frustrates others, and I've learnt a lot. Glad my half bottle of wine last night made me start this thread!

You really shouldn’t worry, OP. Your post doesn’t come across as unkind at all.
A light-hearted thread can be fun but inevitably gets derailed by people who simply take it all very seriously; they have their tiresome little skirmishes, criticising imagined slights about mocking those less educated and generally sniping at each other.
I love these threads and I find it entertaining to read what makes someone grit their teeth. I’m aware that posters are saying how these mistakes make them FEEL, not how they make them ACT towards others. 😊

Zita60 · 24/08/2024 16:24

Malbecfan · 24/08/2024 12:22

I agree with @CLEO42 about the "off of". It drives me mad. I don't know whether or not it is a regional thing because I never heard in when I lived in NW England, but I hear it regularly in the SW.

"I heard it off of YouTube", was a particularly irritating response.

My mum used to talk about should/shall and would/will: should/shall being used for the first person singular or plural and would/will for 2nd and 3rd person singular or plural. For example, should I take this out? Would you take this out? Could anyone please clarify that one. Also, please add me to the list of Latin students of the Caecilius/Metella scheme.

"Off of" irritates me too.

Another one is "cover off on", when someone is saying that they are about to cover a topic. It's come from America, but it's getting more common in the UK now.

Also...

"alternate" being used instead of "alternative".

And...

"attendee" instead of "attender" for someone who attends something (e.g. a conference), "retiree" instead of "retirer" for someone who retires, and "escapee" instead of "escaper" for someone who escapes.

In each case " er" is the person doing the verb and " ee" is the person it's done to (e.g. an employer employs an employee).

But all of these are well and truly lost now.

ErrolTheDragon · 24/08/2024 16:14

Abitofalark · 24/08/2024 16:10

'You' for 'your', as in 'you husband'. Is it a typing error or do some people really think 'you' is correct? It's quite common on mumsnet.

I'm pretty sure that one is usually a typo, whereas 'your' vs 'you're' is more likely a mistake although occasionally it's an automangle.

LiterallyOnFire · 24/08/2024 16:12

Abitofalark · 24/08/2024 16:10

'You' for 'your', as in 'you husband'. Is it a typing error or do some people really think 'you' is correct? It's quite common on mumsnet.

I think that's the kind of interference that autocorrect likes to make.

LiterallyOnFire · 24/08/2024 16:10

there's always a debate on here, over whether it's Pedants Corner or Pedant's Corner. I didn't 'miss' an apostrophe, I chose not to use one

🫣

Why, on this of all threads, would you try to style out your mistake with a fictional "debate"?

Abitofalark · 24/08/2024 16:10

'You' for 'your', as in 'you husband'. Is it a typing error or do some people really think 'you' is correct? It's quite common on mumsnet.

ErrolTheDragon · 24/08/2024 15:58

On the other hand, it makes perfect sense that parents of DC with SN would fine it easier to meet and talk on line and that anonymity makes them more likely to discuss the SN. I don't understand why anyone questions that.

And also that it's parents dealing with specific issues who will start and participate threads. How often IRL do you come across anyone talking about bed wetting in school age children, for example?

LiterallyOnFire · 24/08/2024 15:51

Find not fine.

LiterallyOnFire · 24/08/2024 15:51

eggandchip · 24/08/2024 10:57

Play dates/ boundaries/ im broken and many more get my teeth itching.
Most threads are over exaggerated 8 out of ten threads start with i him my child has SEN.
To be honest MN is the only place ive come across that has the most parents with SEN needs.
And older mums never really hear of a mum on hear in their 20 when you its oh your so young to be doing this.
Ok if you knocking on 50 and your child will most likely be you carer.

Yes I'm with you on "play dates" and thinking that procreation starts at 35.

On the other hand, it makes perfect sense that parents of DC with SN would fine it easier to meet and talk on line and that anonymity makes them more likely to discuss the SN. I don't understand why anyone questions that.

Ilovecleaning · 24/08/2024 15:46

StarryDance · 23/08/2024 22:18

I was reading a thread the other day where someone was asking for advice and made a SPAG mistake in her OP. Instead of giving her advice some absolute arsehole linked her to a thread like this where people were sniggering at SPAG mistakes. It was by far one of the most twattish things I've seen on MN and I've been here a long time.

That’s horrible. Kind of mean and bullying. Childish, too.

openforall · 24/08/2024 15:29

I remember learning this at primary school
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FrillyKnickersAndNoFurCoat · 24/08/2024 15:29

Delphiniumandlupins · 23/08/2024 23:23

The one that is bugging me recently is "free reign". Seen it so often on various threads that I started to doubt myself. Hint, it's about horses not royalty.

Or even worse 'free rain'.

Tomatina · 24/08/2024 15:09

The one that's currently exasperating me on MN is 'bare' instead of 'bear'. As in "I can't bare it." Yes you can, just take your clothes off!
See also: "Bare with me while I explain..."
No thanks, I can read quite well while dressed.

Emptyandsad · 24/08/2024 15:06

HotCrossBunplease · 24/08/2024 14:55

But only one category is blameless as regards their lack of education.

To be fair, that isn't the point you appeared to be making.

And I'm not sure that I agree with you clarification. If you're a child who comes from a family that places a negative value on education (and there are plenty of those) and your friendship group pour scorn on anyone who does their homework or pays attention in class, you are not responsible if you don't work hard at school; it's almost inevitable. What children do is look for approval from their loved ones; if their loved ones let them down by encouraging destructive behaviour then they will react accordingly

I remember reading Mandela's autobiography, in which he says how lucky he was to get to go to school, even though he had to walk miles to get there and back every day. His family recognised that the way to prosperity was through education. And I contrast his situation with that of the west where everyone has free education but many don't understand the opportunity and blessing it represents

User79853257976 · 24/08/2024 15:02

Jeezitneverends · 23/08/2024 21:29

Also, if you made a purchase, you BOUGHT something

It’s a drawER, not a draw

<breathes>

and breath 😉

SerendipityJane · 24/08/2024 14:59

If I was was going to be a pedant, I really wouldn't start with a medium where every single app and device is trying to "correct" me. Especially not with Latin abbreviations.

Differentstarts · 24/08/2024 14:56

Ilovecleaning · 24/08/2024 11:35

Lol 😀. I was trying to tone down my rudeness. 🌺

Try harder.

HotCrossBunplease · 24/08/2024 14:55

Emptyandsad · 24/08/2024 14:33

I am well enough off to have a car; I could have bought one if I wanted one. But I didn't. I still don't have a car

Some people value education but don't have the opportunity to get it. Others have the opportunity but don't take it because they don't value it. Both categories lack an education.

But only one category is blameless as regards their lack of education.

Abitofalark · 24/08/2024 14:54

HotCrossBunplease · 24/08/2024 14:05

Not helped by the fact that the people who make TV programmes seem to have no interest in correcting people on their shows who make the mistake. I always wonder why the producer or director doesn’t say “Sorry Gregg, can you just do that bit again, but say “Last round you made a dessert that really impressed both John and ME”, rather than “impressed John and I”.

Do they

(a) not notice
(b) notice but think it’s an endearing quirk
(c) notice but are too scared of being shouted at by the presenters

Maybe they know that DH and I enjoy shouting “ME!ME!ME! at the TV” 😂

I hear it too in voiceovers that are obviously scripted. George Clark for example. Kirstie and Phil get it right, love them for that.

On a serious note, you can’t blame people for thinking it is correct when you hear people on TV saying it.

The BBC programme makers and producers don't seem to know or care about grammar and would probably only correct it when listeners write in or phone up or shame them on twitter / X / facebook.

Differentstarts · 24/08/2024 14:51

Nanny0gg · 24/08/2024 11:37

But don't you think that if you don't use the correct word/punctuation/spelling automatically then you don't really know it, so you probably won't get it right when it does matter?

No if it's something formal I spend time doing it, concentrate and proof read. If I'm writing something on social media I barely even think about it.

Emptyandsad · 24/08/2024 14:33

HotCrossBunplease · 24/08/2024 10:56

And my point is that people who had the right opportunities for education but waste them can’t describe themselves as having a lack of education. They can describe themselves as coming from a culture or background that did not value education. But they had the opportunity right there.

I am well enough off to have a car; I could have bought one if I wanted one. But I didn't. I still don't have a car

Some people value education but don't have the opportunity to get it. Others have the opportunity but don't take it because they don't value it. Both categories lack an education.

NippyCrab · 24/08/2024 14:16

Ilovecleaning · 24/08/2024 08:23

Is your DH conflating ‘let him’ and ‘left him’ as in ‘I left him to it’?

No definitely not, drives me batty. Xx