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To think she’s lying? Or do companies really do this?

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BlazingSunsh · 23/08/2024 20:10

A friend I have got closer to over recent months told me that she fell out with her employer, a law firm, and was paid 70k if she agreed to leave without further fuss. She was on 90k at the time. The dispute was over her workload/what she had been given and how she felt she had been blocked to progress. The company disagreed but wanted her to leave so apparently offered this? I find this totally unbelievable?! 70k with no tax? Do these things happen?! If so I want to try it as that’s basically two years of my entire income after tax!

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Education79 · 24/08/2024 07:24

Yep, my school (private) paid £30K to a colleague (teacher) who didn't fit in with the new head, so I can quite believe a law firm paying £70K in similar circumstances.

MoveToParis · 24/08/2024 07:24

Andoutcomethewolves · 24/08/2024 06:51

No, exactly, our standard templates had 1xyear's salary for settlement, 3xmonths' salary for gardening leave.

We might occasionally offer a bit more if it could really affect the company or one of the execs. I'm in-house, mostly pretty prestigious FTSE100 type companies so not short on capital. If I'd conceded that demand (or even suggested it to the CEO!) it would display a real lack of understanding and ability that could in itself see you given notice...

Maybe she was 64?

I know someone who did basically achieve this (mid-fifties, and should have been sacked for incompetence). At the first sign of performance improvement he went off sick and said work left him incapacitated due to stress! He got early retirement and his pension topped up to the level it would be if he had been leaving at 65!

Interestingly, I was last boss but one and approached HR about competence and was told to manage around him. His last boss insisted he be pursued for competence and maybe cost the company more. But regardless it all happened 20 years ago!

LateAF · 24/08/2024 07:23

Bunny44 · 23/08/2024 22:36

I got much less when they pushed me out for being pregnant 🥲. Depends on the company.

I think a lot of these settlements were negotiated by great lawyers: I know 3 lawyers who negotiated such settlements for themselves as that’s their job. Otherwise the companies take the piss and try away with offering the least amount possible.

Arrivapercy · 24/08/2024 07:22

Of course this happens, but only in specific circumstances where you really want rid of someone, but can't really get to that point via a performance process or want them gone quickly & quietly.

Its not a good thing. In most industries reputations do matter when getting jobs & people manage to hear about these things. You run the risk of not getting a decent job again and its not a pleasant process to go through.

That said, for some people it can be ok. Ive known a couple of people get paid off then sail into another job.

£70k sounds like a lot when you earn less but to large companies its not that much

fuckssaaaaake · 24/08/2024 07:21

Yep. I live with a lawyer and I'm always baffled. The retention bonuses are even more crazy

MoveToParis · 24/08/2024 07:18

BlazingSunsh · 23/08/2024 20:14

@Hectorscalling what on earth

Someone tell me what fuss I have to make to get one of these 😂

Sheesh. She will have been through months of stress with the threat of being sacked over her. And she now has to find a job.

You wouldn’t be saying that if it was court ordered compensation. You would say “How awful for her that this is fair compensation.” Honestly, you have your thinking arse about face here.

LateAF · 24/08/2024 07:17

SeulementUneFois · 23/08/2024 20:20

Consider that whatever the rights and wrongs of the issue, the person is leaving suddenly without having secured another job to go to.
That can look strange to future employers. Plus there may be whispered rumours from the ex colleagues, even if just based on the suddenness of leaving (more so if any details are leaked).
All potentially awkward and off-putting to potential other employers in the same industry.
So the money is partially for that risk - of finding it harder to get another job fast.

My friend negotiated settlement with her law firm - £200k (equivalent to one years’ salary), she stays on the website for 6 months and was put on gardening leave for that duration, once she secured a new job she could leave with immediate effect, and they had to give her a positive reference,

It was well deserved though as they treated her horrifically post mat leave (and she only took 5 months mat leave).

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 24/08/2024 07:14

In all likelihood she was causing problems internally and they were happy to see her go.

I work in a big financial services company. I've seen many people go on unexpected leave and then an announcement comes out saying they've "decided to pursue other opportunities".

It's either because they were trouble makers or they disagreed with the bigwigs on how things were heading.

You also won't get 70k if you "try" this, as you're on much less as an annual salary. You'd more likely get your take home pay.

xxSideshowAuntSallyxx · 24/08/2024 07:08

Just happened to my sister, put on gardening leave whilst she decided if she wanted to take their offer, then paid a lump sum(which she hasn't told me how much she got so yes she's probably signed some agreement) and her unused holiday. She hasn't worked for 2 months so far, and won't need to until December.

It's not fun trying to fill your days when you're used to working 5 days a week. There's only so much housework and exercise you can do.

Andoutcomethewolves · 24/08/2024 06:51

User6874356 · 23/08/2024 23:23

That doesn’t ring true. It’s extremely rare to get an award like that from a tribunal and no law firm would settle at that level.

No, exactly, our standard templates had 1xyear's salary for settlement, 3xmonths' salary for gardening leave.

We might occasionally offer a bit more if it could really affect the company or one of the execs. I'm in-house, mostly pretty prestigious FTSE100 type companies so not short on capital. If I'd conceded that demand (or even suggested it to the CEO!) it would display a real lack of understanding and ability that could in itself see you given notice...

Nobodywouldknow · 24/08/2024 06:50

BlazingSunsh · 23/08/2024 20:14

@Hectorscalling what on earth

Someone tell me what fuss I have to make to get one of these 😂

Err you need to have good grounds for a tribunal claim against your employer, eg for discrimination. This is essentially settlement of a claim - you get the money to go and not make a fuss. If you just don’t like your job, your employer won’t pay you tens of thousands (and for a lower salary, you’d be looking at less than your friend in any event) to leave. It’s literally only if they think you will sue them.
Some contracts for high earners might include an early termination payment too.

Elektra1 · 24/08/2024 06:29

Only the first £30k is tax free. That's why it's common to get £30k as the settlement sum in a compromise agreement. Any amount above that would be taxed, but she could have got more than that - she'd probably have been entitled to pay in lieu of notice, for example.

farfromideal · 24/08/2024 06:26

My friend got £75k and she has been with the company 2 years. There was some discrimination but they settled out of court.

I got £60k due to redundancy.

It's not unusual

RitaConnors · 24/08/2024 06:22

Not if you’re on garden leave. The point of that is to stop you working elsewhere and taking clients etc.

I don't think that's true, If you are off work from stress or because you are a dog walker who broke his leg being pulled over by a over enthusiastic husky as happened to my dog walker then you are still capable of doing your other job.

NiceCutRoundDomeDormice · 24/08/2024 00:08

MasterBeth · 23/08/2024 21:26

Yes, let's hope no-one from this totally anonymous company is reading this thread about the totally anonymous ex-employee.

Oh FFS - do you think it has only happened twice?

Katbum · 23/08/2024 23:58

Similar happened to me. You can’t just make it up though! Your employer will only pay out if they consider they will potentially be liable in an employment tribunal.

NotSoHotMess24 · 23/08/2024 23:55

BlazingSunsh · 23/08/2024 20:15

@FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant well my friend has no real basis to complain, it was very much embellished and she admitted that as it was going on!

What an odd thing to be jealous about!

CatMum10 · 23/08/2024 23:54

Yes. I technically got a settlement agreement once in lieu of voluntary redundancy pay. They couldn't make me redundant because I was pregnant and that was against their policy, in case I said later that it was discrimination. Even if I wanted to resign and asked for the redundancy. To get around it they paid me a sum, and I signed to say that I will never come back to them with a tribunal or defame them for any reason, or they can ask for some of the money back.

Ozgirl75 · 23/08/2024 23:30

It’s not always if the company has done something wrong. The costs of a tribunal, whether you’re found to have done something wrong or not, are high. It’s often a lot cheaper to just pay someone off rather than go to the cost and bother of a tribunal even if you’re confident you can win. Because there are rarely costs orders in the tribunal, the defendant will be thousands of pounds out of pocket even if they win, so it’s often a commercial decision to settle rather than spend those costs and the time on legal proceedings.

User6874356 · 23/08/2024 23:29

BlazingSunsh · 23/08/2024 20:15

@FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant well my friend has no real basis to complain, it was very much embellished and she admitted that as it was going on!

What a horrible thing to say. She lost her job because she complained about her working conditions. Wow -not a great friend are you

User6874356 · 23/08/2024 23:27

BlazingSunsh · 23/08/2024 20:14

@Hectorscalling what on earth

Someone tell me what fuss I have to make to get one of these 😂

some you call your friend was forced out of their job. That’s happened to me and it’s incredibly traumatic even if you put a brave face on it. Maybe try to have some empathy

User6874356 · 23/08/2024 23:26

BIossomtoes · 23/08/2024 20:32

You can have two employers simultaneously. You just have to pay tax on everything you earn in the second one.

Not if you’re on garden leave. The point of that is to stop you working elsewhere and taking clients etc.

User6874356 · 23/08/2024 23:23

Neodymium · 23/08/2024 22:31

I knew someone who was a lawyer too, and got paid out her wages for the rest of her working life. No idea how she managed it. But she did, it was millions. Employment law was her area so she obviously knew what to say.

That doesn’t ring true. It’s extremely rare to get an award like that from a tribunal and no law firm would settle at that level.

Rowansiskin · 23/08/2024 23:21

The company next door to mine has a specific budget amount set aside for this.

User6874356 · 23/08/2024 23:19

BlazingSunsh · 23/08/2024 20:13

@SilverBranchGoldenPears you got 30k?!? Why don’t people try this more often then, these are huge sums

Try what? They wanted to sack her because she complained. That’s illegal so they had to pay her off.

it is common in law firms to treat staff badly, ignore employment rights and have to pay staff off. She got less than a year’s salary and it Will damage her employment prospects and career

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