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Does anyone else not really have any friends?

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Hernamewaslola22 · 23/08/2024 19:48

Wondering if it's just me. I have friends at work and 1 or 2 out of work...we very very rarely do anything together. I spend most weekends completely alone. I feel like most women have these big groups of girlfriends.

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ALPHAFEMALESINCEBIRTH · 27/08/2024 21:40

i have loads online(support groups etc) but lost "physical ones" winter 20, though no fault of my own as my way of life was taken away from me overnight
my ex left us for my (ex)friend(he went our for McDonalds and never came home, found out next morning he's moved in with her) and as he was the driver the home education groups we attended for years was taken away from us as i don't drive and was 30 mins away by car i had no means of getting there, same with a disability group we attended regularly
for years were out 3-4 times a day to various places and groups and made great friends and connections
as i couldn't attend they wained off

the kids suffered as well as their friendships was taken away

then i had a breakdown in dec 2022(caused by SS as i was fighting a false FII case by a corrupt SW)
im still not 100% recovered
twin that with a unexpected ADHD Inattentive diagnoses april 2023 at 42 and half ive had a tough few years

I'm also a lone parent/carer to disabled kids that need 24/7 care and i get zero help

BearBuggy · 27/08/2024 21:26

My best friend and I parted ways recently due to her constant lying. I had a group of friends from uni but I was the only one who went onto have children and it caused us to drift apart.
So at present zero friends. Lots of acquaintances through the kids school etc but no one who’d give me a birthday card or I could have a coffee and chat with.
it makes me sad. I’m very busy as a single parent but when the kids grow up I think I’ll be lonely and it will be too late.

SeaweedSundress · 27/08/2024 21:24

EmeraldRoulette · 27/08/2024 20:26

@SeaweedSundress I think a stranger in a crisis that they can literally see is likely to help and I’m glad that you got help

but if I had to go to A&E or something I don’t think anyone would help. Especially at night. I hope I never have to find out I guess though lots of people do just have to go alone.

Well, if you’d asked me that at the time, I would have said there was literally no one to help. It turned out there was. And I didn’t think the situational friend would turn out to be so great either when I was really scared about my surgery and the two people I would normally turn to weren’t there. People can surprise you. In good ways as well as bad.

I did once have to go to an and e by myself at 3 am, in horrible pain, and it was pretty miserable, but I ended up holding hands under a cubicle curtain with someone whose face I never saw.

XChrome · 27/08/2024 21:21

Comedycook · 27/08/2024 21:11

Yes...for me it's easier...not better. I have no particular interest in making male friends nor do I value men over women. I just always found it really easy to find a boyfriend...and really difficult to make female friends. But in terms of friendship I much prefer female company

I have found the same.
Men (on average) tend to make poor companions compared to other women. You can't talk about anything deep with them. Anything involving feelings either annoys them or scares them.

NewName24 · 27/08/2024 21:18

Thepeopleversuswork · 27/08/2024 06:58

@SeaweedSundress

It should be said my mother is 80, is very socially timid, and remains astonished that her daughters, despite being coupled up and/or parents, still abandon the domestic hearth for their friends on a regular basis.

To be fair to your mother this is fairly standard for women of that generation. What shocks me a bit is how many women on Mumsnet who are 30 or 40 years younger seem to regard female friends as a burden, a bore or something unnecessary.

It really, really isn't 'standard' Hmm

Comedycook · 27/08/2024 21:11

XChrome · 27/08/2024 21:08

I agree wholeheartedly. However, they might just mean that it's easier to meet men and to figure out what men are looking for, which is true.

Yes...for me it's easier...not better. I have no particular interest in making male friends nor do I value men over women. I just always found it really easy to find a boyfriend...and really difficult to make female friends. But in terms of friendship I much prefer female company

XChrome · 27/08/2024 21:08

Thepeopleversuswork · 27/08/2024 07:09

@XChrome

Women also are more likely to actually care about you as a person than men are.

This is the real nub of the issue for me. All things being equal a friendship with a woman is more likely to be based on shared values and respect than a relationship with a man because (if you are heterosexual) it’s not a transaction oriented towards sex. There are honourable men and strong marriages of course but on a population basis men’s intentions towards women are far more likely to be oriented around what a man can get from a woman sexually.

Which is why it’s bizarre that so many people are posting on here that they find it easier to connect with them.

Are these people saying that they prefer a relationship which is largely oriented towards sex and domestic labour than one on which you are valued for your intrinsic value?

My mind is a bit blown..,

I agree wholeheartedly. However, they might just mean that it's easier to meet men and to figure out what men are looking for, which is true.

NewName24 · 27/08/2024 21:04

Thepeopleversuswork · 26/08/2024 19:40

@Comedycook

One thing I find tricky about making friends is trying to work out if someone is open to the idea of having a new friend.

I tried to respond to your earlier question about this, I am not sure if you saw it or what you thought of it? But I think the point is that it doesn’t matter if the person is “open to the idea of having a new friend”. That isn’t really a thing.

No one is intrinsically “open” or “closed” to the idea. It’s fluid and it depends on lots of factors including the individual you meet and the circumstances that you find yourself in.

You don’t go into a casual social interaction thinking “I do/don’t want a friend.” You just chat and meet someone and see what happens.

A lot of people seem to be approaching this with the idea that a friendship is a one shot opportunity. It’s not like that. It’s an iterative process with many steps along the way. People don’t tend to have such fixed ideas about what they want from these interactions.

Does that make sense?

With knowing you at all obviously I think you might find this easier if you had a more relaxed approach to this.

Totally agree with this.
I have tried to say similar on many of the weekly "I haven't got any friends" threads, but I've not managed to articulate it as well as you.

NewName24 · 27/08/2024 21:03

SeaweedSundress · 26/08/2024 21:47

@Thepeopleversuswork My own mother certainly feels that women friends are only there so you have a group to go out with into public places while you wait for men to approach you. Once you’ve bagged your chap, apparently, you do a valedictory round of bridesmaiding, get married and retreat into married life, because the only plausible reason a woman would be going out in the evenings is on a manhunt.

It should be said my mother is 80, is very socially timid, and remains astonished that her daughters, despite being coupled up and/or parents, still abandon the domestic hearth for their friends on a regular basis.

Edited

My Mum would be mid 90s if she were still alive, but was quite the opposite of your mother. She always felt it was really important to have your own activities / friends / life as well as your dh, your dc, and your work.
I can honestly say I've never heard anyone voice your Mum's ideas, and I chat to lots and lots of different people.

Thepeopleversuswork · 27/08/2024 20:38

@GreyCarpet

I didn't say it was 'better'

No you didn’t say it was better but you and several other people on this thread have suggested it’s easier to read and more straightforward.

Firstly I don’t agree with this because men’s motivations for dating (as another poster mentioned) is often incredibly hard to read and can range from looking for a wife to a quick and easy extramarital shag with everything in between. And often extremely dishonest.

But also surely it’s very obvious that persevering with a more complex relationship which isn’t about sex (in whatever form) is likely to be more rewarding than one which is? And surely it’s got to be worth more?

GreyCarpet · 27/08/2024 20:28

Thepeopleversuswork · 26/08/2024 14:02

@GreyCarpet

If a man doesn't like you, he just won't have anything to do with you. If a woman doesn't like you but you haven't quite realised it yet, it's harder because she'll still meet up for lunch/coffee if you ask and say and do all the right things but never reciprocate and quite often complain about you to others because you've irritated her rather than just not meet up in the first place (and MN is full of people posting because they're on one side of this dynamic in a friendship).

OK… so men liking you is better why?

Lets be brutally honest here: if a man “likes you” in this way and according to this perspective what you actually mean is he wants to have sex with you (or possibly to make you a domestic servant). Whereas if a woman likes you it’s likely to be much more nuanced and complicated and conditional on your behaviour.

In other words according to this worldview women have higher standards and want more from friendships than men do.

So why are so many people implying that it’s somehow better to focus on the relationship which revolves around the woman’s utility to the man as either sex object or domestic helpmeet?

It’s as if the last 60 years never happened…

I didn't say it was 'better'.

EmeraldRoulette · 27/08/2024 20:26

@SeaweedSundress I think a stranger in a crisis that they can literally see is likely to help and I’m glad that you got help

but if I had to go to A&E or something I don’t think anyone would help. Especially at night. I hope I never have to find out I guess though lots of people do just have to go alone.

GreyCarpet · 27/08/2024 20:25

Mairzydotes · 27/08/2024 20:05

I find what you've said to be true. People are more likely to help strangers in a crisis. Perhaps, because it's in the moment and right place at the time, rather than a pre-arranged favour, perhaps they just want to be a hero

I also wonder if part of itnis thar, if you help a stranger, you're not setting a precedent. That stranger isn't going to call on you to help them again.

Mairzydotes · 27/08/2024 20:05

SeaweedSundress · 27/08/2024 18:15

The time I was thinking about there were no friends anywhere near, as we had just moved out of London, DH was in the ME for a fortnight, I was still on maternity leave, and as we’d only arrived in the village (which was never a friendly place for me), we knew no one at all. Even DH’s new colleagues were virtual strangers in the nearest city.

But when DS had an accident one neighbour took us to hospital (snowing, no car, faster than an ambulance), and another neighbouring couple dropped off groceries to us and offered lifts.

I barely knew their names at that point (and, awkwardly, the two different sets of neighbours loathed one another, due to some long-running feud whose reason I never figured out), and in fact we never became friends despite doing a bit of socialising, but they helped when I needed it, and I made sure they knew I was grateful.

I’ve actually often found strangers very willing to help in a crisis, as there’s not much required other than assistance. I do it myself when I can, like helping out a quite ill fellow-patient in the GP when a translator hadn’t shown up, or when, last year, an elderly couple had a minor car crash right outside my gate and I brought them in and made them tea as they had to wait for a lift, and were cold and shocked. But a neighbour across the way (different place to the village) was on his way out to do the same, and quite a few people around here took in Ukrainians.

TL; DR — helping in a crisis isn’t necessarily a test of friendship.

I find what you've said to be true. People are more likely to help strangers in a crisis. Perhaps, because it's in the moment and right place at the time, rather than a pre-arranged favour, perhaps they just want to be a hero

SeaweedSundress · 27/08/2024 18:15

EmeraldRoulette · 27/08/2024 16:35

@SeaweedSundress ”lots of people will help, if asked, in an emergency.”

I think you are very lucky. The friends I had, one or two might have done. Now there’s no one and for reasons many have explained, I’m not sure if I can face trying to make friends again.

just out of interest, who are the people who would help in an emergency? Do you mean people who would accompany you to hospital in an emergency?

The time I was thinking about there were no friends anywhere near, as we had just moved out of London, DH was in the ME for a fortnight, I was still on maternity leave, and as we’d only arrived in the village (which was never a friendly place for me), we knew no one at all. Even DH’s new colleagues were virtual strangers in the nearest city.

But when DS had an accident one neighbour took us to hospital (snowing, no car, faster than an ambulance), and another neighbouring couple dropped off groceries to us and offered lifts.

I barely knew their names at that point (and, awkwardly, the two different sets of neighbours loathed one another, due to some long-running feud whose reason I never figured out), and in fact we never became friends despite doing a bit of socialising, but they helped when I needed it, and I made sure they knew I was grateful.

I’ve actually often found strangers very willing to help in a crisis, as there’s not much required other than assistance. I do it myself when I can, like helping out a quite ill fellow-patient in the GP when a translator hadn’t shown up, or when, last year, an elderly couple had a minor car crash right outside my gate and I brought them in and made them tea as they had to wait for a lift, and were cold and shocked. But a neighbour across the way (different place to the village) was on his way out to do the same, and quite a few people around here took in Ukrainians.

TL; DR — helping in a crisis isn’t necessarily a test of friendship.

Duckduckgoose24 · 27/08/2024 17:56

GoldPlayer · 24/08/2024 14:22

I just moved to a new city and found the easiest ways were📧

1)Joining an outdoor swim group
2)Joining a running club through swim group
3)Joining a co-working space

But you have to turn up regularly otherwise it doesn't work

This is my issue. I co-parent so there are only 2 days that are the same, the rest are on a on/off pattern. Then add to that full time work and long commute. I do go to groups and sports on those days but some of the more sociable ones like running or walking, I'm struggling to make due to the time I have with my kids, it's too unstable for now.

It's such an interesting, and comforting read in a way. I have always been a drifter, so I have never been in a really strong girl group of friends. I see it now with my older daughter in fact, she too goes between groups - generally well thought of but not super close.

I have been contacted by a friend today who I've not seen in ages, so we're going to make plans. And I've just sent a message out to another small group to see if they want to meet. It does take effort, but usually I find it's worth it and I'm buzzing afterwards.

EmeraldRoulette · 27/08/2024 16:35

@SeaweedSundress ”lots of people will help, if asked, in an emergency.”

I think you are very lucky. The friends I had, one or two might have done. Now there’s no one and for reasons many have explained, I’m not sure if I can face trying to make friends again.

just out of interest, who are the people who would help in an emergency? Do you mean people who would accompany you to hospital in an emergency?

Newstarts1 · 27/08/2024 16:22

Crushed23 · 27/08/2024 14:49

Oh, I hear that.

I had a guy do this to me recently on a first date. Just offloaded a load of shit about his family and his career frustrations.

There was no second date.

Ugh that sucks but at least he showed you what he was like from the outset - lucky escape!

I’ve heard of this happening a lot - sometimes even before they meet up in person for a first date.

It’s bizarre how so many men think this is OK to do though and sadly a lot of women are conditioned to sit and play therapist.

Gilbertwasawuss · 27/08/2024 16:19

Newsenmum · 23/08/2024 19:56

I’m always surprised by this, like how have you got to this point? Haven’t you been trying to make sure you regularly meet up with people since leaving school? If you’re kind and friendly and keep making an effort I’m sure you’ll find people. You have to try though.

This is super tone deaf.

People move. School friends move.
People are at different stages of life, kids/marriage etc

There's also social anxiety and neurodiversity and many other things that contribute.

It is very, very easy to find friendships drifting away, especially in this day and age where we are all so online and less of that need to meet up in person so regularly.

A lot of people are also struggling due to COL right now and they isolate themselves out of embarrassment or just inability to go out as that costs a fortune.

PotatoPie111 · 27/08/2024 16:15

DH has a friend who is super popular, loads of friends. One of his friends was a total shit to him, he just let it go. I suppose that’s how you have loads of friends, you just let things go.
Whereas I cast one of my BFs astray because of her behaviour, there were always issues but I hit my limit. Maybe I should have let it go and kept the friendship. (I wouldn’t btw)

Crushed23 · 27/08/2024 14:49

Newstarts1 · 27/08/2024 10:53

That said sure there are often differences between male and female friendship groups.

One unfortunate difference is a lot of men feel they cannot talk to their male friends about feelings/ emotions, and their friendships are actually quite skin deep in many ways when you look closely which is why some men use random women they’re dating as therapists.

Oh, I hear that.

I had a guy do this to me recently on a first date. Just offloaded a load of shit about his family and his career frustrations.

There was no second date.

Thepeopleversuswork · 27/08/2024 12:44

@Comedycook

I've also noticed in my DHS group of friends, they are all much more able to disagree on certain subjects without letting it ruin the friendship. So they may have different views on certain things in politics or the news, they will debate and discuss but still be mates. I find women are much more sensitive to these sort of differences in opinion and if you say the wrong thing, your friendship could be over.

There’s some truth in this, yes. I think women as a rule are less comfortable with disagreements and strongly hold opinions. Not universally: I think good female friendships can withstand strong disagreements. But women are generally more averse to arguing.

Which isn’t surprising really as women are often socialised to think strong opinions are rude or unfeminine.

But having a disagreement which you successfully move past can be a real bonding experience. It’s a shame to completely avoid this.

GreyCarpet · 27/08/2024 11:11

Comedycook · 27/08/2024 10:43

Yes there are definitely big differences imo.

Dh has loads of friends ..a few things I've noticed. If one of them is skint, the others all say, just come out anyway, we'll pay for you. In my female friendship group, if I have ever said I can't come out because I'm skint, everyone would just say oh well, hopefully see you soon another time.

I've also noticed in my DHS group of friends, they are all much more able to disagree on certain subjects without letting it ruin the friendship. So they may have different views on certain things in politics or the news, they will debate and discuss but still be mates. I find women are much more sensitive to these sort of differences in opinion and if you say the wrong thing, your friendship could be over.

I agree with this.

I think a lot of it is because male friendship groups are more 'superficial' and based upon having a laugh and doing stuff they like together.

A.lot.of female.friendships are 'deeper' and, whilst based on having fun etc, also contain am element of shared emotional support. They feel more meaningful and are often an extension of family. So differences and grievances are felt more sharply.

I know men who've never fallen out with anyone regardless of how badly a friend has behaved because they're mates. Women hold each other to higher standards and have higher expectations of close friendships. IME.

Newstarts1 · 27/08/2024 10:53

That said sure there are often differences between male and female friendship groups.

One unfortunate difference is a lot of men feel they cannot talk to their male friends about feelings/ emotions, and their friendships are actually quite skin deep in many ways when you look closely which is why some men use random women they’re dating as therapists.

Newstarts1 · 27/08/2024 10:48

Emberisque · 27/08/2024 10:34

Does anyone else thing male friendship groups differ from female?

By way of example, one of DH’s groups is 5 childhood / school friends. They recently bumped into someone else who they went to school with and knocked about with a bit over 25 years ago. The man is now part of the group and invited to get togethers.

I suppose he had an “in” because of the previous connection but I can’t imagine my female groups of friends being so welcoming, and I don’t really know why.

Childhood friendship groups have really strong bonds. I’ve went over a decade without speaking to some people then resumed the friendship. Not the same as 25 years of course.

But it’s 15 years now since I’ve seen some and I can definitely imagine slipping back into a (female) childhood friends group if I moved back home and bumped into one.

Definitely heard similar things happen to people I know who are women.

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