Has the left now met the right, shaken hands with it then stuck 2 fingers up at the general population?

“To have a balance, you cannot consider eg lapdancers at private members clubs as wrong, but then have strippers at hen parties.”

Again, a sure sign that you not only lack the analysis of coercive forces in regards to female people’s choices, but also safeguarding and the power imbalances between your examples.

Your posts are clearly from a male point of view of what you believe feminists were campaigning for. You are really not well informed on how the oppression based on sex works compared to one of those you are mixing up with it - socioeconomic oppression.

And you don’t seem to understand equity vs equality in your analysis of the needs of other either. That is all fine, but then you post on a thread that is related to sex bases oppression that is coming from extreme political / religious groups in posts that amount to ‘what about the men’ . Then your views just show how ill informed you are.

''Men who want access to women-only resources aren't motivated by being excluded from powerful networks, they just want to see naked women or indulge a fantasy that they are women.''

My personal feeling sex change individuals if that is what what you are meaning there, is that the majority of them have some form of mental illness going on. There may be the very odd one that is genuinely born in the wrong body. The only one I ever met was a woman who as it transpired had been born intersex.

The men I met wanting to be female, were either 'strange' or had clear mental illness. I suspect this is what a vast amount of men believe too.

No I have not posted anything about golf clubs before. I personally don't care if women are there or not. I can't play for toffee. Likewise private members men only clubs.

The majority of men entirely accept women being in most places. Likewise accept men not being allowed in others. But you must accept the same thing needs to happen in reverse. When you have a noisy minority demanding female access to mens clubs as an example, you open the door to the noisy minority of trans or just bloody minded contrary individuals.

You quote an inability for Women to join in networking at places like this previously. The reality is that for large swathes of the male population, we couldn't either. Due to either financial restraints or 'lower social standing' when applying for membership.

To have a balance, you cannot consider eg lapdancers at private members clubs as wrong, but then have strippers at hen parties.

In sport, we should not be allowing male or female biologically born people compete in sports of the opposite sex. In physical sports it does give trans an advantage. This is something most people agree on. With the golf subject, ladies days make far more sense.

Do I want to share changing facilities with females or ones that want to be females. No I do not, and nor should Women. There must be a third option out there somewhere.

You're an adult man clearly, enjoying harassing women. Give it up

It's the NAMALT that needs to bugger off. We're adults, our understanding of nuance and individuality renders NA...ALT disclaimers redundant.

I see you have made sweeping generalisations in several of your posts so suspect NAMALT is just projection.

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I forgot that, he also included "gender identity" and didn't get corrected by the host or female participant. He got a lot more air time too

Because those movements are about men for the advantage of men and pushed forward so much by men. That's how you know they're mens rights movements. If they in any way advantaged women they would have been forgotten about decades ago.

There was indeed. As if women are in some way responsible for not helping to make sure men aren’t misogynists. Also, interesting (and completely predictable) that the bloke involved, when quoting the characteristics that are protected in the equality act, completely missed out Sex.

The point is that white people, men and women both are the cause of racism.

But of course NAWWALT

As a white woman, I’m up in arms about the treatment of brown women in Afghanistan and the inequity facing black women and babies in the uk medical system.

So your point is bollocks. You may not care but that’s entirely on you.

Men should care about 50% of the population, particularly given their dependence on them for the future. But that’s ultimately the issue, imo.

Men aren't up in arms about this for the same reason that white women aren't up in arms about racism. Everyone focuses on the harm they being being done to their own group and demanding everyone else see it through their eyes only

Who are making law impacting a huge number of women.
So we women are going to complain about that. Whether or not pricks try to stop us.

You must be a man if you think you can tell women to bugger off for responding to a comment.

It's horrific how much women's rights seem to have gone backwards in recent years, all across the world.

Horrific that some women have not only supported this but actively promoted it, cheered it on, flung abuse and been party to shutting down and shunning the women who spoke up about what was/is happening.

Sorry, people ARENT homogenous tribes who all think the same thing.

Gender is a societal construct. Anyone can identify as any gender they like nowadays. There's hundreds of them apparently.

Sex is immutable. There are only two sexes-male and female.

So? People are homogenous tribes who all think the same thing.

Who specifically do you speak of when you say this is happening?

The Islamophobia on display in this thread... tsk tsk.

Daddy Starmer and Mummy Balls Cooper are watching, you know.

This is an argument about 'golf clubs' is used by men's rights activism and I have seen it used on MN before. Maybe even by the same poster with a new name.

This argument does not acknowledge the historical nature of 'men's clubs' and the business that was done there where female people were excluded which amounted to negative illegitimate discrimination. Those clubs were places of power for men to make business decisions and access networks. This resulted in women being excluded from those business opportunities and it meant that there was a power imbalance directly caused by these clubs excluding women.

Golf is a great example of this only so far as golf was used as a vehicle for these business opportunities to take place.

However, there is also the sports aspect of golf where female people cannot compete fairly with male people due to the differences coming from testosterone effects on the body. Meaning, that including a female in those groups for 'business opportunities' resulted in that woman being seen at a distinction disadvantage as she will take more shots and take longer to finish the course unless she is exceptional compared to the male golfers.

That again results in a power imbalance when considering it from an equality in business point of view.

Your points don't acknowledge the safeguarding issues associated with including any male adult in a female only space. Nor do your points acknowledge how some 'men's clubs' exploited female people for entertainment and even sexual activities.

There are legitimate and not legitimate reasons to discriminate against groups in society. Excluding women from what was being used as venues and events to conduct business was not legitimate because it negatively impacted on female people. Excluding women from a male only group such as the Men's Shed which is therapeutic as well as for socialising is legitimate.

Excluding female people from a private men's club so that those men can exploit female people for 'entertainment', are you here on MN arguing that this should be acceptable? If that private men's club was not a business venue, and had strict policies against the exploitation of female people and was only for social activities, then you could probably argue that there was legitimacy in the exclusion of female people.

Your points really seem to be regurgitating trope around 'the fallout from earlier Women's rights activism'? So much so that your points seem to be incoherent and just plain ill informed about legitimate and not legitimate discrimination and seem to support sexism and misogyny instead. Whether that was your intention or not.

Yes, when you have Gender Critical 'feminists' cosying up with anti-abortionists.

By a small number of men

You are woefully misinformed if you think that women outside of MN are not concerned about males accessing female single sex spaces.

You only need to look through YouGov polls, or most national, non targeted surveys to understand that once directly asked the question, women are concerned. Strange that you have missed this. Perhaps you need to talk to women more.