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sadabouti · 23/08/2024 16:59

AIBU to think that this tragedy is being vastly over reported simply because it involved very rich people? Why did it require live coverage or the effort to recover bodies on major news channels.

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LindorDoubleChoc · 24/08/2024 12:05

If your post gets deleted Daisy - it was me (and probably several others) who reported it. Don't go thinking it was OP.

Back to the thread - I heard on the radio news this morning that a manslaughter case is being opened by the Italian authorities.

So it seems that the coincidence of his co-defendent dying in the same couple of days is going to lead to more. I do agree with original op, though, that we had too much of it leading up to this point.

ADaisyADay · 24/08/2024 11:30

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zingally · 24/08/2024 11:07

People are fascinated by freak events. Especially when they involve the super-rich. Remember the Titanic sub?

Modern vessels these days are designed to be unsinkable, and the fact that this one did, and SO quickly, is newsworthy.

Plus, it's August. Historically a slow month for news.

sadabouti · 24/08/2024 10:57

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@ADaisyADay and yet you felt the need to launch that invective at me. What have I done to you?

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MintyNew · 24/08/2024 06:59

To have the UK's first software billionaire extradited to America in chains and facing up to 25 years in prison came as a huge shock.

Shock to who? Surely just to their own families? This is really irrelevant to the lives of everyday people. A shock to you maybe.

It was a shock to anyone that cares about tech or business in the UK. He has co-founded arguably two of the most successful tech companies in Britain and has invested in several others. He was a major figure in the industry so yes, it was a shock to me and others like me. If this was Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates, this would be ALL OVER the news everywhere. That you think a story like this is "irrelevant to the lives of everyday people" is telling of how poorly this country treats its best and brightest. No wonder the UK is in rapid decline.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 24/08/2024 09:56

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 24/08/2024 09:13

The point was, @sadabouti mentioned the media attention in the context of the people om board being rich, intimating that this was the reason there was so much news coverage. S/he was just having a pop at the wealthy, because as I said in a previous post, if thexpeople were anything but rich, the OP would not have started the thread because there would be nothing to nail his/her colours to

It's not a pop thoug, it is true that media focus on the wealthy and known and not poor migrants or war victims, or victims of domestic abuse or whatever else. Lots of things happen every day around the world, but the news were full of the yach for the full week like if that was not the case. I remember when Nigella's thing exploded about her ex being abusive, it got a lot of coverage much more drastic cases never get and Im sure we all know why.
OP never said that the case should not be covered, but that it is covered excessively because the victims were rich.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 24/08/2024 09:52

dottiehens · 24/08/2024 06:57

Why does it bother you so much? Is it because you hate rich people?

Iudnerstiid is as there are a lot o other tragedies that does not/did not ge reported because 24/7 media coverage of the yacht.

EasternStandard · 24/08/2024 09:33

BitOutOfPractice · 24/08/2024 09:14

Throughout your entire post. Rude, aggressive, sarcastic, snippy. All of the above. It was a horrible post.

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience this

sadabouti · 24/08/2024 09:26

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience you should know that forcing your way into an unwanted dialogue with someone is a form of harassment. Feel free to engage with the thread but don't expect any further responses from me.

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/08/2024 09:24

I think the board T&Cs need a reread.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 24/08/2024 09:23

I did not say you were arrogant
But you telling me to seek therapy was charm itself...
So, no, I won't bugger off because you demand it

sadabouti · 24/08/2024 09:20

Given that @FinalInstructionstotheAudience is such a deep thinker and able to discern my political leanings from a few posts about a news story, perhaps it's worth saying that I have nothing but admiration for Mr Lynch and his business achievements, and imagine the last 12 years had been horrid for him restoring his reputation after the sale of autonomy to HP. He earns his money and was entitled to enjoy it, and created wealth and opportunity for many people in Silicon Fen.

My original point was that the 24 hr coverage of salvage operations and body retrieval was a bit much. And that it was driven by the fact of Mr Lynch's (earned wealth).

So well done @FinalInstructionstotheAudience as I've danced to your tune and explained my elf. Now bugger off please.

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Starlingexpress · 24/08/2024 09:17

BitOutOfPractice · 24/08/2024 09:14

Throughout your entire post. Rude, aggressive, sarcastic, snippy. All of the above. It was a horrible post.

Wss ^^^

sadabouti · 24/08/2024 09:15

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience you started with childish sarcasm and then said that my opinions are selfish and arrogant. Your entire post was an ad hom attack. It's first thing in the morning, I was pre-caffeine, so I bit back. That's the internet for you.

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BitOutOfPractice · 24/08/2024 09:14

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 24/08/2024 09:08

Where was I rude?

Throughout your entire post. Rude, aggressive, sarcastic, snippy. All of the above. It was a horrible post.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 24/08/2024 09:13

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 24/08/2024 08:38

You seem to totally miss the point. Aside from the fact that kids opening exam results coverage took half a day, and most new stories come and go. This one seemed like 24/h coverage with reporters filming bodies being brought to the shore, the same footage being shown over and over, literally no new stuff, just basking in the tragedy and repeating the same phrases- all while OTHER stuff going on around the world was totally ommited.
Similarly to the Titanic submarine, people obsessed over every detail of it hundred times over.

The point was, @sadabouti mentioned the media attention in the context of the people om board being rich, intimating that this was the reason there was so much news coverage. S/he was just having a pop at the wealthy, because as I said in a previous post, if thexpeople were anything but rich, the OP would not have started the thread because there would be nothing to nail his/her colours to

Starlingexpress · 24/08/2024 09:11

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 24/08/2024 09:08

Where was I rude?

You were rude, they were rude in response.

Case closed 😆

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 24/08/2024 09:08

sadabouti · 24/08/2024 09:07

Yes, I was being rude to @FinalInstructionstotheAudience, deliberately so, as he/she was being rude to me. Rudeness is almost always unwarranted, but if you can't take it, don't start it. And don't seek the moral high ground. I'm quite happy to scrap in the gutter if someone goes for me first, but you won't see me starting it. That's the difference.

Where was I rude?

sadabouti · 24/08/2024 09:07

Yes, I was being rude to @FinalInstructionstotheAudience, deliberately so, as he/she was being rude to me. Rudeness is almost always unwarranted, but if you can't take it, don't start it. And don't seek the moral high ground. I'm quite happy to scrap in the gutter if someone goes for me first, but you won't see me starting it. That's the difference.

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Ginmonkeyagain · 24/08/2024 09:03

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience Indeed, if Beyonce and Jay Z went missing on a capsized super yacht while on holiday it would be headline news for weeks. It is wealth plusfl fame plus human interest plus mystery that makes it newsworthy not race.

OlympicGoldfish · 24/08/2024 08:57

The tributes to Hannah were heartbreaking.

The survivors may be embroiled in lengthy processes to try and make sense of this, whether manufacturing, human error, or freak accident. Given they were celebrating leaving ten years of that uncertainty behind, those are more dark days ahead.

I’d only heard of ML in the context of there being two with the same name in the public eye (the other is the Trade Union man). Whatever I think of wealth and the rich, this is one of those times when you shake off your prejudices and feel at a very human and humbling level for those who went and those left behind.

Re migrants, there was a lot of coverage about the baby washed ashore, in the early days. Then mood changed, tragedies became more frequent.

LostittoBostik · 24/08/2024 08:56

sadabouti · 23/08/2024 17:10

So I'm not disputing that it's a tragedy. I'm just asking if it is being over reported by the media. It's been wall to wall coverage. And I can't help but think that the only distinguishing factor is that it involved rich people on an expensive boat.

No the distinguishing factor was the fact that - partly because they were rich - it shouldn't have sunk.

Freak weather, yacht staff potentially failing in their duties, a possible legal case

All human interest factors, plus it's August so there's very little politics/other core news going on.

kerstina · 24/08/2024 08:53

Not true . Jay Slater anybody?

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 24/08/2024 08:44

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How rude you are.
My point is, if this yacht was chartered/owned by a BAME family or a group from a council estate, you would not mention this in your post. It would not read 'is this over reported just because they passengers were black/insert whatever descriptor'
No, you wouldn't, you were just having a pop at rich people.

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