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DH & money

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Shining526 · 23/08/2024 10:33

I work part time partly so I’m home to look after our DC 2 and our childcare costs are very low but also as due to my health I wouldn’t be able to work full time anyway. My husband earns over 3x what I do, he pays all the rent but we get it really cheap as it’s a property one of my relatives owns, more of a token gesture than anything else. We both pay the same amount into the joint account, everything we split down the middle, with him paying for a few more takeaways or small items. He can be generous with money but recently I’ve noticed him offering to pay less and less and spending lots on unnecessary items for himself, it’s like he’s being thrifty because he’s already bought these big extravagant expensive things for himself, think gaming and gadgets, and I often don’t find out about them until they’ve turned up in the post. He’s spent about £2,000 in the last week. We’ve recently booked a holiday for October and due to our DC needing some fairly expensive new items, that we will pay 50/50 for, I’ve expressed that I’m concerned that I’m not going to be able to save up enough spending money now and he’s not even offered to pay a bit more given his higher income but I’m not sure of this is reasonable of me to expect this?

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DaisyChain505 · 23/08/2024 14:43

Gogogo12345 · 23/08/2024 14:20

How does that work if one person is terrible with money though? My ex husband would spend every penny of what we both put into a joint account if we had done that ( and no I didn't know he was like that before we married)

Well it’s a joint account so you would be able to see that money was being spent on something other than bills or the food shop etc.

the pocket money that is sent to the separate accounts would be to spend on what you wish without having to justify or explain it to the other person.

Gogogo12345 · 23/08/2024 14:20

DaisyChain505 · 23/08/2024 10:56

All family money should go into a joint account. All bills paid from it and then some sent to your separate accounts for pocket money to spend on what you wish and then what’s left over at the end of the month put into savings.

you have both decided to have children. That means either you both work full time and then pay for childcare or one of you works less and gets paid less but you’re not having to pay childcare. This shouldn’t mean that the person working less has to miss out on things or have less access to money.

How does that work if one person is terrible with money though? My ex husband would spend every penny of what we both put into a joint account if we had done that ( and no I didn't know he was like that before we married)

BrownBirdWelcomesWhiteWave · 23/08/2024 14:16

Shining526 · 23/08/2024 10:53

Most things do come out of the joint account but we both pay into it equally and it was just easier to keep our own bank accounts with existing direct debits.

Why do you pay in the same amount as him, as you work part time which saves money on child care

Blanca87 · 23/08/2024 13:49

DO NOT PUT YOUR INHERITANCE INTO THE HOUSE!!!

Hameth · 23/08/2024 13:47

Mindymomo · 23/08/2024 10:38

I’m sorry I just don’t get married couples paying everything 50/50. All money should be family money and in my opinion all in one pot, as a partnership in marriage.

agreed. Money is only on part of the contribution, people can earn more because partners help them/stay at home. All for one and one for all, otherwise its a resentment.

RandomMess · 23/08/2024 13:42

Keep your inheritance ringfenced.

If you use it to support the family in anyway he has a claim on it meanwhile he doesn't share his wealth with you Angry

ViciousCurrentBun · 23/08/2024 12:49

Well he is also a fool to leave that money in a current account.

It’s time for a discussion, people can be as outraged as they like he may not agree. So I would get the figures as best you can and lay out your case. Because that will be what you will probably have to do. He sounds both mean and financially incompetent.

Shining526 · 23/08/2024 12:25

MoonAndStarsAndSky · 23/08/2024 11:54

Tell him you need to earn more money so you're going to go back to full time, but that means childcare will increase by £xx.

I don't mean that you actually do this, just so he realises that you are taking on a lot of cost to yourself personally.

You are currently subsidising his lifestyle hugely by saving him childcare money and doing this unpaid labour which in turn prevents you from working.

I couldn’t work full time even without our DC as I have health issues.

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Shining526 · 23/08/2024 12:23

Peonies12 · 23/08/2024 11:45

That's mad you split things 50/50 with a significant wage disparity. We split 50/50 but only because our take home is fairly similar. We have already discussed and agreed that this will change when I'm on maternity leave this year. Surely just put everything in one pot then you can always take out a specific amount each for personal spending. And surely you also want to prioritise saving as much as you can, whilst you are in a position of paying low rent, so you can buy your own place?

Edited

We do each have savings for a house but I’ve put mine in ISAs etc to earn interest while his is in his main account so I’m never sure exactly how much he has but its roughly 20k while mine is 15k and I will likely get a substantial inheritance in the future which I would put into a house but in the meantime he would be paying the majority of a mortgage.

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Nanny0gg · 23/08/2024 12:02

Shining526 · 23/08/2024 11:02

I know if I brought this up he’d be outraged and claim he’d “pay for it all” if I wanted but in reality that doesn’t happen. I also feel as I wouldn’t be able to work full time even if we didn’t have our DC it doesn’t seem fair to expect him to subsidise me?

You are a family

There is no 'subsidising'

Gilbertwasawuss · 23/08/2024 12:00

Doodleflips · 23/08/2024 11:40

But is that something you discuss with people, and know about? Or is it simply that it’s not talked about as a general rule.

Yes, my friends and I are all very open about finances and financial set ups as are my family members and in-laws.

Of course with some I don't know specifics like exact wages, but I know how they organise their finances within their relationship.

Coming on Mumsnet has been really shocking for me and I wouldn't be with a man that would happily spend a lot of money on himself without things being even.

I also would take no pleasure in having more than my husband.

I've seen women here talking about being on maternity leave or being carers for their disabled children, scrimping by and going without, whilst their husband buys new cars and shoes and holidays.
It is beyond belief.

Both partners should have equal fun money and equal opportunity to have savings (if separate).
Bills should just come out of the family pot or they should be paid by a percentage that allows the two above things.

Anything else (to me) feels quite cruel.

RandomMess · 23/08/2024 11:59

Remind him he said he would cover having DC and it was on that basis you went ahead

So he needs to cover all their costs plus make up your loss of pension contributions whilst caring for the DC, that you are making a financial contribution caring for them whilst he works, you make a financial contribution by getting discounted rent.

MoonAndStarsAndSky · 23/08/2024 11:54

Tell him you need to earn more money so you're going to go back to full time, but that means childcare will increase by £xx.

I don't mean that you actually do this, just so he realises that you are taking on a lot of cost to yourself personally.

You are currently subsidising his lifestyle hugely by saving him childcare money and doing this unpaid labour which in turn prevents you from working.

DustyLee123 · 23/08/2024 11:51

Yes, it’s financial abuse. You should be paying in relation to what you earn, or put both wages in one account and both take equally from there. But I guess he won’t agree to that as then you’d see what he’s spending.

Peonies12 · 23/08/2024 11:45

That's mad you split things 50/50 with a significant wage disparity. We split 50/50 but only because our take home is fairly similar. We have already discussed and agreed that this will change when I'm on maternity leave this year. Surely just put everything in one pot then you can always take out a specific amount each for personal spending. And surely you also want to prioritise saving as much as you can, whilst you are in a position of paying low rent, so you can buy your own place?

Lindjam · 23/08/2024 11:44

You are being financially abused.

Time for a serious chat.

theteddybear · 23/08/2024 11:43

Why are you paying 50/50 you can't possibly on a part time wage! If he wants to go down that route he needs to pay u childcare costs then so u at least have a full time salary.

Why don't u have a joint account that you can take from freely as and when needed. That's not a fair balance at all. He gets to buy what he wants, you get no say in it and are skint. Absolutely no way would I put up with that. Get him told!

Doodleflips · 23/08/2024 11:40

Gilbertwasawuss · 23/08/2024 11:07

I find this 50/50 despite wage discrepancies to be absolutely WILD.

I only hear about it on Mumsnet.

I don't know a single married couple in real life that don't either contribute a percentage proportionately to wages so they end up with the same amount of spending money and individual savings OR just have one joint account for everything that both wages go into.

It is so mean, and in a lot of cases is financial abuse.
It personally doesn't feel like a marriage to me when one partner would see the other go without/have less nice things and scrimp by.

But is that something you discuss with people, and know about? Or is it simply that it’s not talked about as a general rule.

Shining526 · 23/08/2024 11:32

AmandaHoldensLips · 23/08/2024 11:20

When he chose to get married and have children, he chose to enter into a legally-binding partnership.

What did he think this would look like?

Did he think that "his money" would remain "his" rather than realising it would be family income?

How did he think having children would affect him and his income?

Did he believe that his wife would become a lesser partner who does not deserve to have the same access to money as him?

Does he believe in total transparency with regard to finances? Or does he hold the view that the money he earns is none of your business?

If he were to take on child-rearing responsibilities in a truly 50/50 manner, what would that do to his earning potential? (And I mean properly 50/50 with everything that entails like taking time off when kids are sick, doctor appointments, running the house, laundry shopping cooking cleaning, school runs, night waking, etc etc.)

He can get as cross as he likes - it doesn't change the facts. And getting angry is a male defence mechanism because they don't want to hear what the woman is saying. You need to have this out properly. It's not the fucking 1950s. Is he prepared to be your equal partner or not?

When I expressed concerns over money when deciding to have children or not he assured me that he earns enough to cover it but stupidly we didn’t discuss the details of who would pay for what and exactly how he expected it to work. I like to plan when it comes to finances but he claims that I’m uptight and we should take a more relaxed approach.

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Shining526 · 23/08/2024 11:27

I’ve just worked the numbers out and after normal joint & personal bills I have 15% of my wage left and he has 55% which does seem disproportionate!

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angelinaballerina7 · 23/08/2024 11:24

In my experience, the person working outside the home does not get it. I calculated how much a daily housekeeper and nanny would cost if I was at work full time, then showed how much we’d have to earn to afford that - do not forget that these expenses come out of your salary after you’ve paid tax so add it up and then stick the tax rate on it. Then see if he feels that you aren’t contributing as much as him.

grafittiartist · 23/08/2024 11:23

But you are earning less so that you can care for the children that are both responsibilities.
That's not fair.
One big pot here. Then you can allocate a spends amount.

AmandaHoldensLips · 23/08/2024 11:20

When he chose to get married and have children, he chose to enter into a legally-binding partnership.

What did he think this would look like?

Did he think that "his money" would remain "his" rather than realising it would be family income?

How did he think having children would affect him and his income?

Did he believe that his wife would become a lesser partner who does not deserve to have the same access to money as him?

Does he believe in total transparency with regard to finances? Or does he hold the view that the money he earns is none of your business?

If he were to take on child-rearing responsibilities in a truly 50/50 manner, what would that do to his earning potential? (And I mean properly 50/50 with everything that entails like taking time off when kids are sick, doctor appointments, running the house, laundry shopping cooking cleaning, school runs, night waking, etc etc.)

He can get as cross as he likes - it doesn't change the facts. And getting angry is a male defence mechanism because they don't want to hear what the woman is saying. You need to have this out properly. It's not the fucking 1950s. Is he prepared to be your equal partner or not?

ViciousCurrentBun · 23/08/2024 11:16

I do not agree people have to have a joint account, we haven’t and it works for us. But what is happening with your finances is very obviously unfair. If it’s just bills to pay and then fun money for you both and all the children’s needs covered then a joint account does make it easier.

Lovethat · 23/08/2024 11:14

You're married and have sc which you stay at home to provide childcare for, of course you should have the same disposable money. It should be split proportional to earnings. He's also benefitting from your families home.

You need to sit down and outline what he'd have to pay if he had to contribute towards additional childcare and increase rent.