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Would Russia have invaded Ukraine and would the war on Gaza have started if the US had had a stronger president

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Kartyb · 23/08/2024 00:30

Had an interesting discussion today but sadly was a bit out of my depth due to not following current affairs (too depressing).

The person I was taking to basically blamed the shit state of the world on a weak America. This person is on twitter all day and very well informed but I know they do have a certain bias for sure.

Just curious what you think

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mellongoose · 23/08/2024 03:58

We haven't had a functioning White House since Obama left; for one reason or another. Our enemies have taken the advantage.

Yes, Gaza and Ukraine are sort of linked via Iran, back to Russia. The third arm of the will come if/when China has a pop at Taiwan. Can the west keep all fronts safe ?

Emmanuelll · 23/08/2024 03:55

Were they poor? He made inroads in North Korea that no other president has.

What inroads has he made, @Buyer97462? Examples, please. Hint: showman photograph opportunities on a stage don't actually count..... I won't hold my breath.

Emmanuelll · 23/08/2024 03:50

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Oh stop with this BS. Did you forget that Trump almost brought America to civil war with his divisive, horrible nature? That's ok though 🙄

Then, he tried to undermine democracy and stop a democratic process from happening. Because he refused to accept the election result. Which is the definition of fascism.

You need to stop spending all of your time sympathising with and listening to the lies of the MAGA movement.

Scorchio84 · 23/08/2024 03:16

As for Gaza—his son in law is planning to develop bombed out Gaza as beachfront property. You could read about it in the financial papers. So: no. He wouldn’t have stopped Netanyahu.

I did NOT know that @pikkumyy77 holy shit!

pikkumyy77 · 23/08/2024 02:53

You really are just utterly uninformed if you think that Trump kept Putin from invading Ukraine. Putin has been trying to isolate and control Ukraine since at keast 2014 and the first thing Trump did when he got into the White House was to direct the Republican party to strip out language supporting Ukraine from their party platform. Trump was impeached for unlawfully withholding money the US had pledged to Ukraine in order to pressure Zelenskyy to produce anti Biden stories to try to win the 2020 election. He is on the record as supporting Putin’s invasion. He would never have bothered to even protest the invasion.

As for Gaza—his son in law is planning to develop bombed out Gaza as beachfront property. You could read about it in the financial papers. So: no. He wouldn’t have stopped Netanyahu.

Caliga · 23/08/2024 02:44

@Buyer97462

Were they poor? He made inroads in North Korea that no other president has.

North Korea desperately craved recognition from a sitting US President. To them, this represented unthinkable capitulation and weakness, not strength and friendship. While Donald Trump believes his NK round tables and 'friendship' with Kim Jong-un to be a success, nothing has actually changed. They still fire missiles towards Korea and Japan. They are a key ally of Russia and China. Trump made a key diplomatic misstep here.

Buyer97462 · 23/08/2024 02:03

GoldOnyx · 23/08/2024 00:37

He may not have started and wars when he was in charge but his diplomacy skills were poor (which risks escalation and wars being started), he sure didn’t stop any wars and he was the cause of a violent march on the White House. So I think it’s neither here nor there, really, that he didn’t start any wars.

Were they poor? He made inroads in North Korea that no other president has.

RafaistheKingofClay · 23/08/2024 01:07

The entire world has been letting Putin get away with all sorts for years and just turning a blind eye. I don’t think a change of President in just America would have made much difference. He was barely sanctioned for invading crimea in 2014 and we did nothing about the Russian government killing a uk citizen on British soil.
Even now the world are only supporting Ukraine just enough not to lose rather than to win the war.

ChemicalA03959X · 23/08/2024 00:38

While U.S. leadership undeniably impacts global events, the complexities of international conflicts like the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict involve numerous factors beyond the influence of any single leader. A stronger U.S. president might have affected the course of these events to some extent, but it is unlikely that it would have completely altered the underlying motivations or prevented the conflicts entirely.

GoldOnyx · 23/08/2024 00:37

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He may not have started and wars when he was in charge but his diplomacy skills were poor (which risks escalation and wars being started), he sure didn’t stop any wars and he was the cause of a violent march on the White House. So I think it’s neither here nor there, really, that he didn’t start any wars.

GoldOnyx · 23/08/2024 00:35

The way I see it is that the war in Gaza and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine are very different things and can’t really be compared.

In terms of Ukraine, I think Putin knew exactly when he wanted to invade Ukraine - for various reasons- and I don’t think it would’ve mattered to him who was US president. I also think the killings and hostage talking by Hamas in Israel last year wasn’t really connected to - or affected by - the US presidency, because it’s a continuation of past conflict between Israel and Palestine.

Fazackerly · 23/08/2024 00:33

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