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To think we should go as a family to lunch with my boss

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OopsyDaisie · 22/08/2024 19:51

I'm the breadwinner in the family and have 2 small DC. Upper management in a small-ish company.
I'm quite friendly with my boss (although wouldnt class us as friends), who has a small DC and a DP. We work together foe many years, wish happy birthday to each other kids etc
Boss has invited me and my family for lunch at their house in a couple of weeks, another colleague (who is single and no DC) will also be going.
My DH doesn't want to go, says he can't stand it and it's fake and there's always an ulterior motive (ti gauge how commitment I am to the company, how happy, to try to convince said colleague to join our department etc).
He told me I should go with the kids and come up with an excuse for him not joining. I said that's OK if he doesn't want to go, that's fine its his decision. He plays a sport on Sunday morning (not every Sunday), so I would just say he i doing that. He then said I actually should go alone and not take the kids either, but then "oh but then we will have nowhere to leave the kids if I'm playing" (we have no family around) and O just said then he couldnt play that day if that's the case.
I'm not TOO happy about being told not to take the kids, we were invited as a family and I would like us to go as one. I think these social interactions do help careers and I could use that!
But also wouldn't terribly mind to have a nice lunch and some wine without being called Mummy-mummy every 2 mins, although I would have to lie as I wouldn't want to say simply my DH wanted me to come by myself. So:
YABU - its your job and should be kept separate from family life. Your DH is right to want you to go alone
YANBU - Your DH should understand the impact of these (very rare) social interactions in your career and should want to go in your support.

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TerfTalking · 23/08/2024 07:42

I think he should suck it up, I’ve also been to pointless social events as the wife, it’s part of being in senior management. If I’m happy to not have to work anymore and happy to share the generous bonus then I don’t think it’s unreasonable to attend the odd boring dinner with people I don’t know.

as it happens I’ve managed to gain two very good friends out of these invitations and we meet a couple of times a year now through choice.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 23/08/2024 07:42

Grumpy12345 · 23/08/2024 07:32

There is an awful lot of sexism on this thread and if the genders were reversed I doubt everyone would be saying the spouse is lazy and needs to get a job. I know several women who are sahp’s to school age children and they don’t clean either as they have paid cleaners. No-one as far as I know has ever accused them as being lazy or thought they should get a job.

Ususally the Stay at Home Mother is praised for being the only reason the working father can do his job.

OopsyDaisie · 23/08/2024 07:41

Grumpy12345 · 23/08/2024 07:32

There is an awful lot of sexism on this thread and if the genders were reversed I doubt everyone would be saying the spouse is lazy and needs to get a job. I know several women who are sahp’s to school age children and they don’t clean either as they have paid cleaners. No-one as far as I know has ever accused them as being lazy or thought they should get a job.

I agree dome of it is a bir harsh. But im hearing everyonwa POV.
Having a SAHP allows the kids time with a parent and not being ar school the whole day...
He does all the cooking as well, and we have a cleaner once a week. Of course that still leaves all laudry, washing up , daily kitchen cleaning... that unfortunately, I believe if the roles were reversed, the SAHM would be doing. There's still a lot of embedws sexism around these things.

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neverbeenskiing · 23/08/2024 07:40

It doesn't seem to me like a healthy message to be giving the kids either, really - that's is somehow on them to impress people they don't work for on behalf of someone else. This sort of thing seems to me to promote that sort of corporate culture people have complained about for decades - that favours married people over single, straight over gay, parents over non-parents, people with a traditional home life over the less conventional.

My two DC had a lovely time at a BBQ at my Boss's house yesterday running around the garden, playing with her dogs and the children of another colleague. They didn't feel any pressure to "impress" anyone on my behalf, that would only be the case if I gave them that message, which as a responsible parent I never would.

Oh and my Boss is gay (and divorced), one colleague who attended is single and childfree and the other is a single Mum who has kids from two previous relationships so I don't think it was anything to do with promoting a "traditional" home life. I'm sure that culture exists in some workplaces but some people genuinely like the people they work with, and just enjoy hosting and being together in a more informal setting. I don't think there always has to be an ulterior motive and the idea that socialising as a family with work colleagues is inherently damaging to children seems way over the top.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 23/08/2024 07:39

lazyarse123 · 22/08/2024 20:10

I would take the kids but DH would be made very aware that he is able to be a sahp precisely because of your job. Ungrateful twat. Not saying he doesn't bring anything valuable to your lives btw.

Edited

Bit of a double standard there. Usually on MN , SAHMs are lauded to the skies because it's only by their efforts that their working husbands can go to work.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 23/08/2024 07:38

Elsvieta · 23/08/2024 07:27

Nothing faux about it - I really do find it outrageous, and my point is that it SHOULDN'T be acceptable. Nice for you if you have the kind of partner / family / home life you don't mind parading in front of your boss and a partner who will agree to it and then perform in the right way, but that's exactly why you don't see how it's discriminatory against those that don't. Obviously you're being judged - you're just OK with it because you think you're passing the test.

Anyway, don't these people have friends? Do they really need to make their subordinates cosplay it?

'Parading in front of your boss...' 🤣
Clearly we will not agree on this, I see nothing wrong with work socialising whether with a subordinate, boss, or colleague. But then again, I've enjoyed my varied career, have taken advantage of the opportunities afforded me both during 'office hours' and outside working hours, taken the shit with the praise, and accepted that in order to thrive at work, one doesn't just turn up, do the job, and piss off home.
Fortunately, most people in such careers, where socialising is important, have spouses/families that understand. Most employers don't take the piss in requiring/forcing people to take part. And in the OPs case, this is a regular occurance and she is happy to do so.
Obviously you hate this aspect of work life, but don't assume it is sinister, that's just daft

Imbusytodaysorry · 23/08/2024 07:37

@OopsyDaisie i agree with pp take the kids and turn phone off . What are the chances of an emergency .
You would know fine well why he is calling .

Tell your dh the controling stops now. .Also that it’s time to find ANY job around the kids as you are sick of doing everything .

It’s totally sabotage that’s what he is up to .
He also sounds like a spoilt child . You should tell him it’s not attractive

Grumpy12345 · 23/08/2024 07:32

There is an awful lot of sexism on this thread and if the genders were reversed I doubt everyone would be saying the spouse is lazy and needs to get a job. I know several women who are sahp’s to school age children and they don’t clean either as they have paid cleaners. No-one as far as I know has ever accused them as being lazy or thought they should get a job.

AgnesX · 23/08/2024 07:31

OopsyDaisie · 22/08/2024 20:16

I totally agree with you, but he never had a corporate job, so doesn't understand this need, or doesn't agree to it (which fair enough, he is allowed to think differently...)
but the last question : I'm asking myself the same question... if I don't take the kids, will I get a call to come back homr early due to whatever reason?

Edited

If that happens ignore it. Isn't he the sahd? He can cope perfectly well.

Personally I'd sooner not go to something like that but I do like my colleagues (mostly) so it wouldn't be totally dreadful.

Imbusytodaysorry · 23/08/2024 07:31

Pandasnacks · 22/08/2024 20:12

This is a fight worth picking, they are your children too, take them where you want. Why are you letting him dictate that you can't take your own children for a lunch they will enjoy? It's 100% control

This .

TOtaly an argument worth fighting .

OopsyDaisie · 23/08/2024 07:30

MoodyMargaret11 · 23/08/2024 07:22

Just seen your update @OopsyDaisie
If both kids are at school, what's he doing as a SAHP exactly?

He does school runs, packed lunch, snacks and dinner, most grocery shopping (I do some online)
Unless we put the kids in breakfast club and afterschool club (which would cost £800/month), he can't find full-time job. We would also rarhee kids spend not spend 7am-6pm at school, if theres an alternative.
He has tried to find a school-hours job but said its really hard (any ideas anyone?). This would surely be the best scenario, since he certainly isn't doing our laudry or cleaning the house at that time! But he does do lost of DIY, gardening and home improvements - although these aren't daily tasks are they?

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Elsvieta · 23/08/2024 07:27

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 23/08/2024 06:35

Your faux outrage is hilarious! Welcome to the world of a career/profession, where socialising with work colleagues/managers is perfectly acceptable,noften pleasant, and not always an ulterior motive

Nothing faux about it - I really do find it outrageous, and my point is that it SHOULDN'T be acceptable. Nice for you if you have the kind of partner / family / home life you don't mind parading in front of your boss and a partner who will agree to it and then perform in the right way, but that's exactly why you don't see how it's discriminatory against those that don't. Obviously you're being judged - you're just OK with it because you think you're passing the test.

Anyway, don't these people have friends? Do they really need to make their subordinates cosplay it?

Gymmum82 · 23/08/2024 07:26

So he’s not a SAHP is he? He’s a cocklodger. He does barely any housework, some childcare but the kids are in school so there’s no reason he can’t work. He’s just lazy, and to top it all off when you go out he rings you at 9pm demanding you come home!! What an absolute arsehole.
Honestly you need to have a serious conversation here, he doesn’t support your job, but also doesn’t even have his own. I can see why he doesn’t want to go. ‘Hi Brian. What do you do?’ ‘Nothing, I’m too fucking lazy to get a job’

Zone2NorthLondon · 23/08/2024 07:24

If dh choses not to attend meal you accept that otherwise he’ll potentially sabotage or disrupt. However you should take the children if they’ll be ok and there are others to play with

you are right to hope partner to be supportive of career and if required be affable & engaged at an event that is beneficial to you and your family

TakeMeDancing · 23/08/2024 07:24

OopsyDaisie · 22/08/2024 20:56

Yes, sorry, well put.
PP asks if he works, hence my answer. But yes, I sgould have just said he is a SAHP wihlthout the first sentence, which I would hTe if the roles are reversed
(although I still do 90% on Housework God knows how, he does most childcare during the week)

Edited

WTF? 90% as a FT worker, when there’s a SAHP?

Honestyy · 23/08/2024 07:23

OopsyDaisie · 23/08/2024 07:18

For people who are asking if he likes being a SAHP, I don't think he particularly does.
Both kids are at school, and when they were younger, he wasn't a SAHP, we had kids at nursery full-time (thankfully that cost is gone!). He was self-employed at that time and worked different hours every week (not FT though).
Thanks for all the posts, I see I need to assert some boundaries about things I feel I should do for work, and in this case it's a family lunch so I will take the kids.
I feel once at the event, turning off my phone (to avoid calls to come back home) would be very rude, I would hate it if he did that when he went to the Pub with friends for example (which rarely happens...).

Tell him to find a full time job, not self-employed. The children are at school so don't need a SAHP!!!

MoodyMargaret11 · 23/08/2024 07:22

Just seen your update @OopsyDaisie
If both kids are at school, what's he doing as a SAHP exactly?

Elsvieta · 23/08/2024 07:20

TemuSpecialBuy · 23/08/2024 05:00

I dont agree with this at all.

I'm the high earner.

I've been for

  • dinner with my DHs boss and peers with respective plus ones.
  • A wedding of head of sales (not my dhs dept but an important stakeholder for him)
  • we did a playdate with a CFO and his wife once.

It an infrequent small kindness i can do my dh who i love. I'm invested in his sucesses as it benefits him and our family just as he is invested in mine.

Taking it further i do days out he enjoys more than me and vice versa, we socialise with both his friends (one i think is slightly knobheady and arrogant) and mine (he finds one of my friends dhs boring and sometimes grumpy) and god only knows we both suffer silently and nobly through each others various family events.

you dont just "please yourself" alllll the time if you are a responsible adult, in a relationship and/or have children.

I'd be unhappy about this and would really be questioning his motives here especially blocking the kids going...i would be mildly annoyed but not that bothered if he didnt go but stopping the kids smacks a little of sabotage..?

Its 3 hours not his full 2 week annual leave at a work conference....

his awkwardness around such a trivial event is imo weird and im wondering if its symptomatic of something bigger. Is he happy as a stay at home? In the marriage in general? Is he embarrassed he doesnt work ?(i get the vibe your kids are school age?)

Edited

Buy why should his "success" have anything whatsoever to do with whether his boss likes his wife, or whether he HAS a wife? (Employer discrimination in favour of "family men" is still a thing). It's so retrograde.

His family / friends is totally different.

Nosleepforthismum · 23/08/2024 07:18

God, what an arsehole! This has really annoyed me. How hard is it to go to a lunch and make small talk for a couple of hours? You’ve got the kids as well as a distraction/reason to leave when you’ve had enough.

Fuck me, I’d be having strong words and explaining that we all have to do things we don’t particularly want to do at times so frankly he needs to suck it up and play the part. Prick. Of course he can’t go to do his hobby instead. You are being far too nice OP.

OopsyDaisie · 23/08/2024 07:18

For people who are asking if he likes being a SAHP, I don't think he particularly does.
Both kids are at school, and when they were younger, he wasn't a SAHP, we had kids at nursery full-time (thankfully that cost is gone!). He was self-employed at that time and worked different hours every week (not FT though).
Thanks for all the posts, I see I need to assert some boundaries about things I feel I should do for work, and in this case it's a family lunch so I will take the kids.
I feel once at the event, turning off my phone (to avoid calls to come back home) would be very rude, I would hate it if he did that when he went to the Pub with friends for example (which rarely happens...).

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TakeMeDancing · 23/08/2024 07:17

DH is on the board in his job. When we’re invited to these types of events, I go, and am sociable with people, because this is part of networking in his career. It is what it is. It’s maybe once a year, so I support him. After all, the whole family benefits from the financial gain. I had a family invite on one occasion at my job, and DH supported me then. Your DH needs to grow up and understand that these relationships within your organisation are important. He should be supporting you.

MoodyMargaret11 · 23/08/2024 07:17

Your DH really is kicking up a fuss over nothing. It's not like he gets constant invitations to your boss' house, it's a one off. Why can't he just come and support you?

He sounds hard work, especially dictating to you that kids can't come, when there will be other kids their age to play with. So they will have fun and he will have more time to himself (if he didn't come).

You also said he doesn't like you attending work events. Why not?
Sounds like he is resentful of your career or perhaps the fact you are the sole breadwinner.

Honestyy · 23/08/2024 07:10

OopsyDaisie · 22/08/2024 21:56

@RawBloomers
I don't know if he is ressentful per se, but he doesn't like me going ti work dinners etc (which happen probably 3x a year + the Xmas work party)
I always go anyway, as a Senior Manager it would be strange not to (unless there's a reason of course such as kids being ill), but the he calls me at like 9 or 10pm pushing me to go home, for example. In his words if I have to go to the office next day I shouldn't be expected to be out for work late.
So yes you might be right about resentment, or a PP mentioned control...

Edited

He's controlling you. Loves having you pay for everything whilst he sits at home and orders you about.

It's time for him to go back to work so he can pay for half the bills and pay for his own hobbies, especially as you still do 90% of the housework. If the children are school age or at least 3 and in Nursery then he definitely needs to go back to work. Mine went to Nursery part time from just turned 1.

BonneMaman77 · 23/08/2024 07:08

As you say these work dos are 4x a year they are normal things in most corporates. It is your job, and your family’s livelihood, he has skin in the game. But I get you want to pick your fights. However, your job, your colleagues that you like, your kids - there is not fight here just do it.
Ask your DH what his real problem is, it is not taking kids to a colleagues house for a do!

GreenMarigold · 23/08/2024 07:07

I have been to lunch/dinner with my husband’s boss a few times. No it’s not my favourite thing but I do it without hesitation to support him.

I think your husband should want to be supporting you too. But if he can’t then at least let the kids enjoy themselves.

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