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To think we should go as a family to lunch with my boss

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OopsyDaisie · 22/08/2024 19:51

I'm the breadwinner in the family and have 2 small DC. Upper management in a small-ish company.
I'm quite friendly with my boss (although wouldnt class us as friends), who has a small DC and a DP. We work together foe many years, wish happy birthday to each other kids etc
Boss has invited me and my family for lunch at their house in a couple of weeks, another colleague (who is single and no DC) will also be going.
My DH doesn't want to go, says he can't stand it and it's fake and there's always an ulterior motive (ti gauge how commitment I am to the company, how happy, to try to convince said colleague to join our department etc).
He told me I should go with the kids and come up with an excuse for him not joining. I said that's OK if he doesn't want to go, that's fine its his decision. He plays a sport on Sunday morning (not every Sunday), so I would just say he i doing that. He then said I actually should go alone and not take the kids either, but then "oh but then we will have nowhere to leave the kids if I'm playing" (we have no family around) and O just said then he couldnt play that day if that's the case.
I'm not TOO happy about being told not to take the kids, we were invited as a family and I would like us to go as one. I think these social interactions do help careers and I could use that!
But also wouldn't terribly mind to have a nice lunch and some wine without being called Mummy-mummy every 2 mins, although I would have to lie as I wouldn't want to say simply my DH wanted me to come by myself. So:
YABU - its your job and should be kept separate from family life. Your DH is right to want you to go alone
YANBU - Your DH should understand the impact of these (very rare) social interactions in your career and should want to go in your support.

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parkrun500club · 12/12/2024 11:56

Is this still going?

The saddo is the person with the fixed mindset and the 1950s perception of what work involves. Oh and the total lack of ambition

Those of you with ambition should be grateful to those who don't have it. Work is a pyramid and we can't all sit at the top. The alpha people need people to do the actual work while they spend the day weekends schmoozing.

DeedsNotDiddums · 12/12/2024 02:01

Omg your (D)H sounds absolutely precious and entitled. He needs to suck it up and go make nice. These things absolutely make a difference. Has he never worked a day in his life? Whether you're the main breadwinner or not, I'd be profoundly depressed if my spouse did this on principle.

Thepeopleversuswork · 04/09/2024 06:36

What sort of saddo do you think WANTS to spend the weekend with their boss

I can’t believe this thread is still going and people are still behaving like teenagers about a very normal and non mandatory request.

Some people enjoy the company of their colleagues or employer and it doesn’t make them a “saddo” (such a teenage word). Some people also understand that it might help their career prospects to sacrifice a couple of hours every once and in a blue moon.

The saddo is the person with the fixed mindset and the 1950s perception of what work involves. Oh and the total lack of ambition.

blueshoes · 03/09/2024 23:03

OlPackingTape · 01/09/2024 10:57

This is a really weird response to a very normal situation.

It is possible to acknowledge that that some people genuinely want to spend their family weekends with their bosses family but it is not weird to also acknowledge the power imbalance in such requests.

A boss might think they are liked but actually their employees are just putting on the rictus grin on a daily basis because it is their boss. A boss can get a very skewed impression at work. I am both a subordinate and a manager in my company so see it both ways.

I agree with the unwelcome American concept of your employer as your family. The same employer who can dismiss you at will in the US. Now That is Weird.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 03/09/2024 10:37

But why would it be a problem what you choose to do with the kids while he is out playing his sport? Sorry I just really don’t get it. Of course he shouldn’t have to go if he doesn’t want to (though I think it is sad he doesn’t want to go and support you). But I can’t fathom why he thinks he can control whether the kids go?! And why he’d want to?

NoBinturongsHereMate · 01/09/2024 22:00

My mum regularly went for lunch - and sometimes dinner, or parties - with her boss. Usually I went as well. And she came to ours. We helped her paint her living room, she helped us move house. This carried on long after they both left the company - because they were friends who actually liked each other. It does happen.

NewName24 · 01/09/2024 21:33

mm81736 · 01/09/2024 18:56

What sort of saddo do you think WANTS to spend the weekend with their boss

Well, firstly, no-one is talking about "spending the weekend". It is lunch. On one of the days. The only time this year, not a regular thing.

But, I would quite happily go for lunch with my colleague, who is also my friend, as well as being the one that stepped forward when the Manager's post became vacant. She was my friend before she took on the Manager's role and I saw no reason to then change the relationship.
I don't think I'd be described as a 'saddo' by anyone who knew me.
I also still meet former colleagues from over 30 years ago for lunch about once a year - including the boss, until she passed away.

Icanttakethisanymore · 01/09/2024 19:04

mm81736 · 01/09/2024 18:56

What sort of saddo do you think WANTS to spend the weekend with their boss

Someone who likes their boss? Are you very young? This seems like the kind of attitude I might have had when I was 17.

OopsyDaisie · 01/09/2024 19:01

@HelenWheels Yes he is doing a sport most Sundays anyway, which led me to the AIBU... I now doind out that it WILL be happening on the Sunday of the lunch, so I'll put my foot down on raking the kids and hope he doesn't create a problem...

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mm81736 · 01/09/2024 18:56

NewName24 · 01/09/2024 18:05

This is a really weird response to a very normal situation.

Totally agree @OlPackingTape . there are a lot of people on this thread who seem to be putting their own weird spin on what is a pleasant, social occasion, and what is perfectly normal in many workplaces.
I'm sorry for the posters who have had experiences that make them so bitter, but people should be able to understand that not every workplace is like that.

What sort of saddo do you think WANTS to spend the weekend with their boss

NewName24 · 01/09/2024 18:05

This is a really weird response to a very normal situation.

Totally agree @OlPackingTape . there are a lot of people on this thread who seem to be putting their own weird spin on what is a pleasant, social occasion, and what is perfectly normal in many workplaces.
I'm sorry for the posters who have had experiences that make them so bitter, but people should be able to understand that not every workplace is like that.

RoseUnder · 01/09/2024 17:55

This is a normal thing supportive spouses do for each other to help them get on professionally.

your DH is being unreasonable and is either ignorant or willfully trying to jeopardise your job. I’d give him short shrift - he should suck it up and give up three hours of his life to support you, your success being in his interest.

ThatPeachLurker · 01/09/2024 17:06

Fine for DH not to go (although agree he has every reason to support you schmoozing the boss and wouldn’t be too impressed by that attitude) but confused as to why you’ve allowed him to tell you not to take the kids but not questioned him on why? What did you respond when he said that??

Sounds like the kids will have fun playing and if you get on with your boss it won’t be too much of an imposition but could help with your career - win win all round.

OlPackingTape · 01/09/2024 10:57

mm81736 · 01/09/2024 10:17

Well just stop! YOU like THEIR company? I bet you do, because there is a power imbalance in your favour!!
They di not want to spend their weekends kowtowing to their boss!
FGS get some self awareness!!

This is a really weird response to a very normal situation.

mm81736 · 01/09/2024 10:17

CauliflowerBalti · 25/08/2024 12:35

I’m an employer. I’ve routinely invited a couple of my employees over, with and without kids, to do social stuff. It’s because I like their company, or think the kids would get on. Not some bullshit corporate strings attached test. Your husband is being very weird about this. Take the kids if you think they’ll enjoy it, or don’t if they’re not those kinds of kids. Whatever.

Well just stop! YOU like THEIR company? I bet you do, because there is a power imbalance in your favour!!
They di not want to spend their weekends kowtowing to their boss!
FGS get some self awareness!!

HelenWheels · 01/09/2024 08:46

have you said he is doing some sport @OopsyDaisie

crockofshite · 01/09/2024 07:21

myladybelle · 01/09/2024 03:41

Yea these things are boring as fuck for the trailing spouse but you do them to be supportive. DH and I both have careers and we do it for each other!

Social occasions don't have to be boring as fuck.

It's not a works do. It's just a lunch with the kids and another family who already know each other.

myladybelle · 01/09/2024 03:41

Yea these things are boring as fuck for the trailing spouse but you do them to be supportive. DH and I both have careers and we do it for each other!

Luddite26 · 28/08/2024 22:10

Thanks for the update I was wondering if you had been yet.
I hope you and the children enjoy yourselves and have some delicious food made for you.

OopsyDaisie · 28/08/2024 21:32

Thanks for all the advice.
My husband being a SAHP seems to have pushed some buttons, but it's not really the main point, more so as my job is our source of income and my Boss is someone I've worked with for more than 10 years and we have a friendly relationship. This is the first time in 4 years we have been invited to a family lunch (Boss does have a few team dinners at restaurants and such for the whole team about 3x a year or so).
Improving relationships is a big part of management in this small company but there won't be work discussions at lunch and it's not really about "ass-kissing" and more about having a relaxed time out of work. We are at a personal Relationship level at work but I no time for chit-chat as its very full on....
So this is the reason I WANT to go myself. I do understand him not wanting to, though (although I WISH he would support me on going, and most importantly not tell me not to the the kids, as it wss a family invite and I see no reason why they shouldn't go as they would hVe good time playing with Boss DC...) So this is really the AIBU part...
In any case, my plan os to go and take the kids and happily agree for him to opt out. Wish me luck!
ETA: I don't really see any ulterior motive for ut, although I'm aware many times there is one. I'm quite trustful of people while DH is very skeptic. But even if there is, DC and me would still have a nice lunch (Boss and DP are both amazing cooks) and a fun day doing something different and socialising?

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beanii · 28/08/2024 20:00

NewName24 · 28/08/2024 19:12

But all of that is made up by you.

The Op said this is someone she has worked with for a long time, who has similar aged dc, and who likes hosting. My interpretation of that is that the colleague (who happens to be her boss as well) has thought 'Oopsie is nice. We always have a laugh at work. I'll invite her over one weekend for lunch. It'll be nice. The dc can play together and we'll have a good old chinwag'.

I've worked in various places over 40 years, and sometimes there are people you meet at work who become really good friends. Most are 'colleagues you are friendly with' but there's no logical reason to make a rule that says you can't become good friends with someone because you happen to work with them.

Absolutely but the op has said it's to try and get the other colleague to work in their department, so no it's not a gathering with friends - it's work related.

As I said in my post - I personally wouldn't go - many would - that's the point of this thread for people's opinions.

NewName24 · 28/08/2024 19:12

beanii · 28/08/2024 12:35

I'm not career driven so probably have a different view but I'd have said 'thank you for the invitation but we have a strict no work policy on a weekend, family time is precious'.

If having to go for a pretentious lunch decides if you get a promotion or not then it proves what a load of ass kissing nonsense it is - if it was my business I'd want the person best suited to the job, not one who'll drop their family for the sake of a job where you'd be replaced tomorrow.

But all of that is made up by you.

The Op said this is someone she has worked with for a long time, who has similar aged dc, and who likes hosting. My interpretation of that is that the colleague (who happens to be her boss as well) has thought 'Oopsie is nice. We always have a laugh at work. I'll invite her over one weekend for lunch. It'll be nice. The dc can play together and we'll have a good old chinwag'.

I've worked in various places over 40 years, and sometimes there are people you meet at work who become really good friends. Most are 'colleagues you are friendly with' but there's no logical reason to make a rule that says you can't become good friends with someone because you happen to work with them.

ABirdsEyeView · 28/08/2024 16:31

Tbh @Mayorq they aren't much better to sahm. I've seen it compared to prostitution, being a kept woman, not having a work ethic, setting a bad example to one's children etc.
For some people, there's no realisation of marriage making a team, where both support each other in different ways. Or acknowledgement that sometimes childcare costs would eat more than one person could earn and a family can't afford to run at a loss! Or that both parties can be happy with how they've divided the labour and no one is hard done by

Mayorq · 28/08/2024 14:17

Love these threads for finding out exactly what MNers think of SAHP's as soon as it's a man.

"Remind him that he can only afford his sport thanks to you/ let him know you fund his life" 😂😂😂

IAmJohnMajor · 28/08/2024 14:13

This occasion is in the PAST folks... And op hasn't updated anyway.
All advice is moot from this point.